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re: Pels granted permission to talk to Redden about GM job
Posted on 4/18/19 at 6:33 pm to LouisianaJoseph
Posted on 4/18/19 at 6:33 pm to LouisianaJoseph
There was a lot of little things, but the final straw was an episode of The Jump one day. That got the organization PISSED. But then they got reflective and honest with themselves and starting to talk about what a state of the art, modern franchise would look like. And then they decided to restructure. I honestly believe that if The Jump never happened, they wouldn't have gone this extreme. It lit a fire.
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Posted on 4/18/19 at 6:46 pm to Crewz
quote::giddy:
I know that nobody is gonna feel bad for Dell, and this isn't meant to make apologies for him, but I don't think you understand the staff Griffin is gonna have compared to Dell.
The Pels are seriously going to restructure and look like a real NBA franchise. They had one full time scout before. Two analytics guys with no real direction. Now they are going to have Scouting and Analytic DEPARTMENTS. A retooled medical staff, a true #2 that Dell hadn't had since Connolly left.
Anyway, just saying. Griffin is a little smarter than Dell, but when he succeeds, it will also be because of all the resources Gayle is granting him.
It's absurd to me that it essentially took losing AD to get here, but at least we're here.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 6:50 pm to Crewz
quote:Good work
From April 12th. If you know you know, just gotta follow the right people
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Posted on 4/18/19 at 6:51 pm to shel311
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It's absurd to me that it essentially took losing AD to get here, but at least we're here.
Considering we had just lost Chris Paul, New ownership should have gone
"hmm... What did they do that we should do differently"
But I guess like many thought, it was a business, not so much about winning.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 6:53 pm to shel311
quote:
It's absurd to me that it essentially took losing AD to get here, but at least we're here.
In that sense, it may be the final thing I will be grateful for from AD.....until he nets us a kings ransom in a trade.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 6:55 pm to Bronc
Also, I will say, I was a very vocal soft Griffin skeptic, but so far he has knocked it out of the park.
Of course at the end of the day what is going to matter is results.
Of course at the end of the day what is going to matter is results.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 7:20 pm to Crewz
quote:
There was a lot of little things, but the final straw was an episode of The Jump one day. That got the organization PISSED. But then they got reflective and honest with themselves and starting to talk about what a state of the art, modern franchise would look like. And then they decided to restructure. I honestly believe that if The Jump never happened, they wouldn't have gone this extreme. It lit a fire
It's kind of absurd that Rachel Nicholls, LeBron's hype man, and Tracy McGrady on an ESPN afternoon show is what it took to get them to wake up and make real changes, but it is what it is
Posted on 4/18/19 at 10:29 pm to LesGeaux45
Who are the morons downvoting Crewz' posts?
I'm loving the true insight into the workings and failings of the organisation
I'm loving the true insight into the workings and failings of the organisation
Posted on 4/18/19 at 10:36 pm to Crewz
Big difference here is that Griffin both has a track record and has demanded that she invest in these resources.
Dell? I don’t know what his track record was in San Antonio but he didn’t show a tremendous amount with us and seemed afraid to ask for resources.
If Dell never asked for it, that is on him. If he did and got refused by Loomis or the Bensons, that’s on them.
Dell? I don’t know what his track record was in San Antonio but he didn’t show a tremendous amount with us and seemed afraid to ask for resources.
If Dell never asked for it, that is on him. If he did and got refused by Loomis or the Bensons, that’s on them.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 10:41 pm to teke184
Dell had no scouts for a while, only one full time one at the end. Trust me, he wanted more. A lot more. He liked international travel but he wasn't the biggest fan of going on some of the college trips he had to go on. He would have killed for what Griffin is about to get. Not saying he would have done much better with it, but yes, he would have loved to have this level of support and attention.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 10:42 pm to teke184
I'd imagine Tom didn't really give nearly as much of a shite about the Pelicans to spend what it takes.
Tom Benson spent money on some things, like the new practice facility, but what notoriously cheap in other areas. Like sharing a medical (and executive) staff with the Saints and going cheap on FO resources.
Gayle, by all accounts, was the driving force to purchase the team. He probably did it to please his wife and make some money and increase his influence at the same time.
Tom Benson spent money on some things, like the new practice facility, but what notoriously cheap in other areas. Like sharing a medical (and executive) staff with the Saints and going cheap on FO resources.
Gayle, by all accounts, was the driving force to purchase the team. He probably did it to please his wife and make some money and increase his influence at the same time.
This post was edited on 4/18/19 at 10:44 pm
Posted on 4/18/19 at 10:46 pm to Crewz
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Dell had no scouts for a while, only one full time one at the end. Trust me, he wanted more. A lot more. He liked international travel but he wasn't the biggest fan of going on some of the college trips he had to go on. He would have killed for what Griffin is about to get. Not saying he would have done much better with it, but yes, he would have loved to have this level of support and attention.
Curious if this a reason why he didn't draft very often.
Not knowing what talent is out there that could/could be untapped potential vs a known commodity
Posted on 4/18/19 at 10:53 pm to htran90
It was part of it. A small part. But it definitely factored in. Anybody he was gonna draft, he and his "staff" might have seen that guy live once or twice at the very most. His scouting was so dire that he once asked me for MY evaluation of Frank Jackson (when he was a senior in high school). I coached against the kid once.
Anyway, this isn't a Dell apology thread. I am just imagining what he is thinking as he sees as the stuff Griffin is gonna have around him
Anyway, this isn't a Dell apology thread. I am just imagining what he is thinking as he sees as the stuff Griffin is gonna have around him
Posted on 4/18/19 at 11:33 pm to Crewz
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I am just imagining what he is thinking as he sees as the stuff Griffin is gonna have around him
He’s probably thinking he wished had the conviction Griffin did. Griffin waited for the right GM job and got the owner to commit to spend massive to win when he did. Griffin then walked from that GM job because the owner and him no longer shared the same vision. He consistently passed on new job opportunities that he didn’t see as the right fit. When he finally took this job he made sure ownership was 100% on board with the way he wanted to do everything going forward. He convinced them of what they needed to do and will do so in the future or he will step down.
Meanwhile Dell apparently put up with begging for scraps with no scouts, no help and an alleged mandate to trade all his picks without doing anything about it for years because he was scared of losing his job. There is more to the position than just dealing with players.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 11:35 pm to Crewz
quote:
Dell had no scouts for a while, only one full time one at the end. Trust me, he wanted more. A lot more. He liked international travel but he wasn't the biggest fan of going on some of the college trips he had to go on. He would have killed for what Griffin is about to get. Not saying he would have done much better with it, but yes, he would have loved to have this level of support and attention.
The other side of that too is all of that spending gives you leverage to use it. If Demps had all of those scouting resources he might have been able to make a more persuasive argument about building slower through the draft rather than constantly cashing in draft picks for win now moves.
Posted on 4/19/19 at 7:24 am to Crewz
How did fans impact ownership's thinking?
Posted on 4/19/19 at 9:42 am to corndeaux
Not much. I mean the fans boo'd Gentry every game and ownership didn't care about that. But lack of season ticket renewals have ownership wanting Griffin to at least try to get AD to buy back in. Hard to sell tickets to casual fans and businesses without the name. I know some don't believe it, but they are gonna try hard to bring AD back. Jrue even recruiting
Posted on 4/19/19 at 10:21 am to Crewz
The organizational rebuild has me more excited than any return on an AD deal. It's pretty crazy to think it wasn't that long ago that the team was practicing at the freaking Alario Center.
Posted on 4/19/19 at 12:47 pm to Crewz
quote:
He had to do all the grunt work and was only approved for Motel 6's on the road
Jeff Bower was a solider for carrying that load jesus.
Posted on 4/19/19 at 1:12 pm to Crewz
quote:
Jrue even recruiting
Any names that you can give us?
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