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re: Pelicans, one of the teams, reached out to Portland for Damian Lillard
Posted on 7/3/23 at 10:19 pm to Dinky Mulberry
Posted on 7/3/23 at 10:19 pm to Dinky Mulberry
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Important year coming up...for BI.
It’s actually much much more important for Zion if he cares about his future in New Orleans. First season on his new extension. We will see how patient Gayle is if he gets hurt again.
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Posted on 7/3/23 at 10:35 pm to Hailstate15
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Important year coming up...for BI.
It’s actually much much more important for Zion if he cares about his future in New Orleans. First season on his new extension. We will see how patient Gayle is if he gets hurt again.
My point is...I think just about everybody understands that Borrego will want BI to make a fairly big change in his overall game and Borrego will want very little change...in Zion's overall game. Be interesting to see how BI adapts...assuming he does. I'm cautiously optimistic.
This post was edited on 7/3/23 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 7/3/23 at 10:58 pm to Dinky Mulberry
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.I think just about everybody understands that Borrego will want BI to make a fairly big change in his overall game
No, just you Dink … What part of the 27 points 7 assists and 6 rebounds do you need to see drastically changed …
This post was edited on 7/3/23 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:00 pm to GOP_Tiger
Chill w the hyperbole and calling arguments and people stupid/imbecilic, just bc you don’t agree.
It’s fine not to agree. But, the injuries and maturity level of Zion are both real concerns that make trading Z Vs BI, a legitimate argument.
People act like Ingram is significantly older than Zion. He really isn’t. And even with the age difference, it’s possible Ingram plays 5 years longer than Zion in the NBA.
I think the whole is better argument is a bit misguided and incomplete as well.
Zion has played a total of Zero meaningful games in his entire career. We aren’t 100% sure if his bully ball absolutely translates to playoff basketball where whistles are generally swallowed compared to the regular season. Defensive gameplans are also a lot more measured and complex. Zion’s body barely holds up during casual preseason and regular season games. What the hell is going to happen when the intensity goes up 500% in a playoff game? Do we think his ability to stay healthy will actually get better in that scenario?
Also. We’ve seen Ingram in high level games and he was the reason we won some of them and he was never the reason why we lost any of them.
Let’s be honest. Both of these dude’s career win % suck due to injuries and at times, ill fitting roster pieces.
It’s fine not to agree. But, the injuries and maturity level of Zion are both real concerns that make trading Z Vs BI, a legitimate argument.
People act like Ingram is significantly older than Zion. He really isn’t. And even with the age difference, it’s possible Ingram plays 5 years longer than Zion in the NBA.
I think the whole is better argument is a bit misguided and incomplete as well.
Zion has played a total of Zero meaningful games in his entire career. We aren’t 100% sure if his bully ball absolutely translates to playoff basketball where whistles are generally swallowed compared to the regular season. Defensive gameplans are also a lot more measured and complex. Zion’s body barely holds up during casual preseason and regular season games. What the hell is going to happen when the intensity goes up 500% in a playoff game? Do we think his ability to stay healthy will actually get better in that scenario?
Also. We’ve seen Ingram in high level games and he was the reason we won some of them and he was never the reason why we lost any of them.
Let’s be honest. Both of these dude’s career win % suck due to injuries and at times, ill fitting roster pieces.
This post was edited on 7/3/23 at 11:02 pm
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:14 pm to brmark70816
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The obvious 1st offer would have to be McCollum, Daniels, one of Murphy/Jones and 7 picks/swaps.
So you’re saying Portland is going to trade Dame to reacquire CJ?? I really don’t know how to respond to this.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 6:02 am to LSUgrad88
I gotta say, this thread delivers. The term "glorious mess" comes to mind.
Thanks, guys, for helping me make it through an, at times, sleepless, health impacted night.
Thanks, guys, for helping me make it through an, at times, sleepless, health impacted night.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 6:25 am to ThePistol
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Dame is going to be a #1 for what, 2 more years?
Dame isn't a #1 today. He hasn't led a team to the playoffs in 2 years. Ingram as a #1 has as many playoff wins the past 3 years (and if you go back one more, Dame has a whopping 1 more win).
You can even go back further.
2019: Great, miracle run to the WCF
2018: Swept Round 1 (by us, Lol)
2017: Swept Round 1
So if you take out 2019, Dame still has 1 more playoff win than BI
If you go look at the 2019 playoffs, in the WCS , CJ was the leading scorer in every game POR won
For the series, he best Dame in scoring, FG%, and 3PT%. CJ led them to the WCF, not Dame. This whole "Dame is an alpha and a playoff #1" narrative needs to die.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 7:31 am to Pels_Yaz
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You know whats real numbers?? Wins. If Griff got his way, we might be better off. Lowry was a key part of Miamis postseason success. CP3
Posted on 7/4/23 at 7:50 am to Chalkywhite84
That was a classic championship post
Posted on 7/4/23 at 8:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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Per Woj, the Blazers do NOT have interest in Tyler Herro If that’s the case, it’s nearly impossible to envision a scenario where Miami trades for Dame unless another team gives them a ton for Herro (which is highly unlikely) and they flip that to POR
Like i said earlier, Herro has no value. Miami overpaid him.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 8:25 am to Soggymoss
I am curious where Lillard can go (within his sphere of desired variables)
Like I have said previously
Like I have said previously
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Dame could net assets.
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Possibly, but from whom? That's why I said there wasn't a market.
There aren't many places who can send the proper assets and who will take on that salary (at his age).
So many teams have made "all in" moves that there aren't many left who can. Lillard is also an extreme example b/c he's so old with SO MUCH insane money remaining over like 4 more years.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 8:57 am to SlowFlowPro
Brooklyn?
Posted on 7/4/23 at 9:15 am to Fun Bunch
quote:Definitely have enough assets but do they even want him?
Brooklyn?
If Portland demands Bridges in return, Brooklyn may not be interested at all.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 9:18 am to Fun Bunch
I listened to Jake's show today. He's hoping for a trade that sends out CJ, JV, Dyson, Kira, Temple, and picks for a return of Dame and Nurkic. (He acknowledges that a 3rd team might need to be involved.)
IMO, the only kind of Dame trade that we would consider would be one in which we keep both Zion and BI.
IMO, the only kind of Dame trade that we would consider would be one in which we keep both Zion and BI.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 9:20 am to shel311
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If Portland demands Bridges in return, Brooklyn may not be interested at all.
And if they wont' deal Bridges, what do they have? Some capital light years away, sure.
2023 is already gone
2025 looks to have mid value at best
So you have 2027 and 2029. What good does this do Portland if this is the primary value received? After they just signed Grant to a mega deal?
And if Bridges is part of the deal, Dame won't be happy.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 9:24 am to GOP_Tiger
quote:Hopefully, this
IMO, the only kind of Dame trade that we would consider would be one in which we keep both Zion and BI.
Not sure how it fits with the tax and our willingness to pay it but I'd definitely be interested in pairing Dame with Zion and BI.
But yea, it would take a 3rd team so it's rather unlikely.
This post was edited on 7/4/23 at 9:25 am
Posted on 7/4/23 at 9:34 am to shel311
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Not sure how it fits with the tax and our willingness to pay it but I'd definitely be interested in pairing Dame with Zion and BI.
If Gayle isn't willing to pay the tax for Dame, Zion, and BI, then when will she ever be willing?
Posted on 7/4/23 at 9:46 am to medtiger
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If Gayle isn't willing to pay the tax for Dame, Zion, and BI, then when will she ever be willing?
Nope. And if that is the case you don’t move for Dame without confirmation she is willing to be a tax team.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 10:09 am to Fun Bunch
quote:The Sixers are a possibility. They have a huge expiring in Harden that Portland could either take as part of a package or re-route to someone who may be interested. I would think he would be easier for a team to take on than Herro simply because of his contract. If another team wants Harden, the Sixers may be able to add those assets to a package for Lillard. The Sixers need to do something to keep Embiid around.
Brooklyn?
Posted on 7/4/23 at 10:13 am to medtiger
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If Gayle isn't willing to pay the tax for Dame, Zion, and BI, then when will she ever be willing?
If this was a legit move and they thought the best move for the team, yes. But this is neither of those things.
Looking a few posts up, Portland is going to want a lot more than CJ, JV, and a few negative value pieces, and I think you'll find it hard for ANY 3rd team to want to come in for that.
And then if you are adding picks to the deal, you really are killing your long term window for an all in 2 year window. Which is the stupidest thing you can do right now when the current window is 10-12 years, and something like this can be revisited 6 or so years down the line, or sooner if a younger all star becomes available and makes sense (because then the younger all star becomes an asset instead of a liability like Dame will be in 2 years).
This is a move you make for someone still in their 20s (28 at the oldest maybe). That way you can get maybe 6 years out of it and triple or more the window Dame would give us.
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