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bonethug0180
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re: I see the Saints trading up to 3...
Posted by bonethug0180 on 4/11/26 at 11:01 pm to Handsome Pete
First, fair value would be 8 overall and our 2nd for 3 overall and their 4th. We aren't trading up to 2 or 1 where the value gets a bit ridiculous.
Second, why would we trade up when the value is better just sitting still?
Second, why would we trade up when the value is better just sitting still?
re: If the Saints go for a receiver at 8 I’d argue the pick should be a TE.
Posted by bonethug0180 on 4/10/26 at 9:31 am to GynoSandberg
Sounds like we already have Sadiq with Fant on the team. xD
re: Are corner and DL our weakest positions?
Posted by bonethug0180 on 4/8/26 at 3:06 pm to Dantheman504
That would be 2 DEs and a NT, as Cam, Young, Granderson, and Rumph all played OLB last year.
There was still question as to whether Broughton would fall in better at NT or DE in the 3-4.
We also usually used 1 DE and either a NT or a 2nd DE, playing largely nickel with only 2 down linemen more often than not (although the OLBs acted as the edges, so it still presented as a 4 man front).
This makes the IDL depth not as concerning, similar to ILB, as you really only need 5 guys in rotation. We have 5 or 6 guys that can play the IDL (though it can be improved much like most of our positions), so depth is more than fine there.
OLB is more concerning without Cam here. You want at least 4 of these guys that can legit rush the passer, even if they aren't all high end.
But out of every position, CB, specifically nickel, is the biggest question mark right now. Maybe a combo of Blackmon and Sanker can help fill the void, but that remains to be seen. And outside CB depth is dire, as Yiadom took a huge step back last year, and both of our young guys still have growing pains moments.
If I had to rank them, it'd be CB, WR, OLB, then IOL as positions we need to still address, whether in the draft or in post draft FA. Other positions can be upgraded, but we at least have legit depth every else.
There was still question as to whether Broughton would fall in better at NT or DE in the 3-4.
We also usually used 1 DE and either a NT or a 2nd DE, playing largely nickel with only 2 down linemen more often than not (although the OLBs acted as the edges, so it still presented as a 4 man front).
This makes the IDL depth not as concerning, similar to ILB, as you really only need 5 guys in rotation. We have 5 or 6 guys that can play the IDL (though it can be improved much like most of our positions), so depth is more than fine there.
OLB is more concerning without Cam here. You want at least 4 of these guys that can legit rush the passer, even if they aren't all high end.
But out of every position, CB, specifically nickel, is the biggest question mark right now. Maybe a combo of Blackmon and Sanker can help fill the void, but that remains to be seen. And outside CB depth is dire, as Yiadom took a huge step back last year, and both of our young guys still have growing pains moments.
If I had to rank them, it'd be CB, WR, OLB, then IOL as positions we need to still address, whether in the draft or in post draft FA. Other positions can be upgraded, but we at least have legit depth every else.
re: Saints pick up 5th year option on DT Bryan Bresee
Posted by bonethug0180 on 4/8/26 at 2:51 pm to Delusional
quote:
Guaranteed Salary: The fifth-year salary for 2027 is fully guaranteed, expected to be roughly $13.9 million
This is not rookie salary, which is why yes, Chadboy, I also thought they would forego picking it up and sign him to a cheaper per year instead.
But given some prices I heard floating around for DTs next year (or if any get extended this year), this price is actually not as bad as it initially looked. DTs are about to start getting paid well over this.
It does make me question whether we tried to extend him and it didn't work out so we picked up the option, or if they felt being flush with cap now it wasn't as big a deal to absorb this and have 2 more years to look at him.
re: Dallas looking to trade up for Bailey
Posted by bonethug0180 on 4/5/26 at 10:59 am to Townedrunkard
If you look at trades in the last however many years, they definitely "overpay" moving into the top 2 (which is why those picks have disproportionate values in the charts), but the after that it really isn't that crazy what people are trading.
It also depends where a team is moving from. If someone was coming from the early 20s to 8 then yes you are going to get more of a premium. Someone coming from only 12 to 8 isn't going to pay that same premium unless they are absolutely obsessed with a player (which is extremely rare these days you see a Ricky Williams trade unless it's for a QB).
I get and agree with what you are saying about what I'd like to see to consider a move, but I also don't think it's realistic, and I'd rather stay and take whatever player at 8 than move back to 12 and get a 3rd and maybe an extra later pick (like a 4th or next year's 3rd).
It also depends where a team is moving from. If someone was coming from the early 20s to 8 then yes you are going to get more of a premium. Someone coming from only 12 to 8 isn't going to pay that same premium unless they are absolutely obsessed with a player (which is extremely rare these days you see a Ricky Williams trade unless it's for a QB).
I get and agree with what you are saying about what I'd like to see to consider a move, but I also don't think it's realistic, and I'd rather stay and take whatever player at 8 than move back to 12 and get a 3rd and maybe an extra later pick (like a 4th or next year's 3rd).
re: Dallas looking to trade up for Bailey
Posted by bonethug0180 on 4/4/26 at 8:27 pm to blackandgolddude
Yeah I'm definitely not saying don't try to get more, but given the value difference in what people here are asking for vs what range we are likely to get, it's not worth making the trade.
They would have to do something stupid like that for it to be worth it over not taking him ourself.
They would have to do something stupid like that for it to be worth it over not taking him ourself.
re: Dallas looking to trade up for Bailey
Posted by bonethug0180 on 4/4/26 at 8:06 pm to Townedrunkard
quote:The difference between 8 and 12 is only 1 mid 3rd.
That’s equal to two 3rds in today’s value.
re: Dallas looking to trade up for Bailey
Posted by bonethug0180 on 4/4/26 at 8:04 pm to t00f
quote:If Dallas is super desperate maybe, but from the value chart 8 is worth 406 and 12 is worth 347, so the difference is a mid third (78 is worth 59).
Maybe I am wrong but I would think the Saints would get better than that, like a 2 and a 3.
So a 3rd and a 4th is far more likely than picking up a 2nd at all, so I think the Saints would rather stay and take a player at 8.
re: Raiders stick it to the Falcons
Posted by bonethug0180 on 4/3/26 at 5:07 pm to Proximo
So he must have had some offset language in his contract with the Falcons if he was cut. That's the only thing that makes sense why the Falcons are paying part of a contract signed by another team.
But reading that, the Raiders have guaranteed him $11.3 mil, because while he gets paid that bonus on the 3rd day of FA 2027, it's already fully guaranteed.
So he is costing the Raiders twice as much as Flacco, and somehow also costing the Falcons more than Flacco. xD
Edit:
That is in addition to the already $22.5 mil he is on the cap for the Falcons this year (though he was already paid that money previously), and $12.5 mil he is on the cap for them next year (again already paid).
So they cut him and are on the hook for him for another $43.7 mil in cap ($8.7 mil in actual cash).
We had our hand forced with Carr retiring, but they had a choice and made a completely idiotic one.
But reading that, the Raiders have guaranteed him $11.3 mil, because while he gets paid that bonus on the 3rd day of FA 2027, it's already fully guaranteed.
So he is costing the Raiders twice as much as Flacco, and somehow also costing the Falcons more than Flacco. xD
Edit:
That is in addition to the already $22.5 mil he is on the cap for the Falcons this year (though he was already paid that money previously), and $12.5 mil he is on the cap for them next year (again already paid).
So they cut him and are on the hook for him for another $43.7 mil in cap ($8.7 mil in actual cash).
We had our hand forced with Carr retiring, but they had a choice and made a completely idiotic one.
re: Raiders stick it to the Falcons
Posted by bonethug0180 on 4/3/26 at 12:03 pm to St Augustine
He played really well in contract years.
re: Raiders stick it to the Falcons
Posted by bonethug0180 on 4/3/26 at 9:48 am to Proximo
quote:Not according to the more clearly worded Schefter report, which states he has $20 mil fully guaranteed from just the Raiders.
No because you’re paying Flacco $6 mil and you’re paying Kirk $1 mil
Which means that they are paying him $20 mil for 1 year compared to Flacco's $6 mil.
Edit:
Unless, of course, the Schefter report is flat out wrong. I haven't seen the actual details.
re: Raiders stick it to the Falcons
Posted by bonethug0180 on 4/3/26 at 9:46 am to Athis
So the other report was even more poorly worded than I thought.
re: Raiders stick it to the Falcons
Posted by bonethug0180 on 4/2/26 at 4:05 pm to SaintTigerPel
quote:This is worded so poorly.
While his contract is technically for five years, $172 million, in reality he’s set to receive $20 million for one year with the Raiders. The Falcons are paying Cousins $8.7 million this season, the Raiders another $1.3 million and the Raiders have guaranteed Cousins a $10 million roster bonus on the third day of the 2027 new league year.
Trying to guess what they actually mean, he is still on the hook for $8.7 mil with the Falcons. Separately from that the Raiders signed him to a 1* year deal for vet minimum ($1.3 mil). IF he is on the roster on the 3rd day of FA 2027 he gets another $10 mil.
So it's a 1 year vet minimum deal that can be extended if Mendoza is a bust or isn't ready next year.
If that's not what they mean and the $10 mil is fully guaranteed now, it doesn't come due one the 3rd day of 2027 like they say.
re: Dan Orlovsky acting as Ty Simpson’s agent
Posted by bonethug0180 on 3/31/26 at 7:25 pm to Lester Earl
quote:And then he had a very concerning second half of the season that exposed a lot of flaws and there was no buzz around him.
in the middle of the past season
Now, a few weeks before the draft, you have someone trying to drum up buzz for him again that used only the first half of last season as his talking points, and he just so happens to share an agent. You don't even need to connect the dots when it's literally drawn out.
re: If Bailey falls to 6 The Saints should move up 2 spots.
Posted by bonethug0180 on 3/31/26 at 12:10 pm to stopitnow1
Too many good players to move up unless we have someone so far above the others still available. I don't see Bailey as someone they will see far above other options there, but we'll see.
re: Dan Orlovsky acting as Ty Simpson’s agent
Posted by bonethug0180 on 3/31/26 at 12:08 pm to BilJ
Because most people weren't even talking about Simpson, and now this guy is trying to highlight all the things he does well (while seemingly ignoring his bad games) to try one last hard sell for teams on the fence about him to maybe look and say, "You know, he does do this better than maybe we thought he did" or some shite like that.
You can claim all you want that the media doesn't influence teams, but there is a reason teams leak both true and false shite to the media to muddy the waters and change perception of things. That's the same when agents are desperate to get their client moving up the boards to try to get people just talking about them and pointing out good things to try and influence perception.
You can claim all you want that the media doesn't influence teams, but there is a reason teams leak both true and false shite to the media to muddy the waters and change perception of things. That's the same when agents are desperate to get their client moving up the boards to try to get people just talking about them and pointing out good things to try and influence perception.
re: Dan Orlovsky acting as Ty Simpson’s agent
Posted by bonethug0180 on 3/31/26 at 10:26 am to NewBeginnings
quote:If he did indeed do this, then he absolutely is slanting to push him. xD
Orlovsky said in his eval that he only looked at Ty’s first 8 games. Why?!? He came to his conclusion off of incomplete data. I assume to create buzz
You don't completely ignore the bad games and then say this guy might be the best. Bad games is where you learn the most about these players, how they respond, if they keep pushing through or fold.
re: Dan Orlovsky acting as Ty Simpson’s agent
Posted by bonethug0180 on 3/31/26 at 10:23 am to BilJ
quote:I'm not saying he is definitely doing this because of the agent connection, but I am saying that this does absolutely happen with the media where money makes mouths move a certain way.
So, is it really fair to say Dan's entire opinion is bought and paid for?
I really don't know Dan's rep enough to say he is or isn't shilling, but it would not shock me to learn he is.
re: Dan Orlovsky acting as Ty Simpson’s agent
Posted by bonethug0180 on 3/31/26 at 9:16 am to Proximo
Only thing is it's been proven time and again these guys do upsell people they share an agent with or agents they are "in good with". It's clear as day what many (not all) of the talking heads are doing, and it's most rampant around draft time.
re: Dan Orlovsky acting as Ty Simpson’s agent
Posted by bonethug0180 on 3/31/26 at 9:14 am to Lsujacket66
This was obvious from ANYTHING Kiper puts out and has been for years. From his free agency rankings to his mock drafts to anything he does where he ranks or talks about player, it's all about which agents are throwing to most his way to upsell his clients.
Iirc it was maybe around 2015 someone looked at his free agency rankings and immediately noticed a pattern and spelled it out by showing which players were repped by different agencies. I think even his number one ranked player went against EVERY other free agency ranking list that year.
Iirc it was maybe around 2015 someone looked at his free agency rankings and immediately noticed a pattern and spelled it out by showing which players were repped by different agencies. I think even his number one ranked player went against EVERY other free agency ranking list that year.
re: Zack Wilson and his Mom are coming to Nola
Posted by bonethug0180 on 3/26/26 at 2:28 pm to Jojodaddy
Guess I need a new spot. xD
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