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You want an out of conference game as the international game. It would be fricking stupid to let it be a game with higher stakes.

It would also be fricking stupid to pass up a chance to fly straight out of New York instead of anywhere else. While Browns would have been the preferred choice I'm sure, you'd have to go from New Orleans to Paris.

The way it fell out was best case scenario for us (barring the league letting us swap the week we play the Browns and the Steelers, which I doubt was on the table).
5,500 passing yds, 55 passing tds, 5 ints, 550 rushing yards, 5 rushing tds.

One song to theme the year.
First you have to look at our opponents and if there is any history there they can push a story for in primetime, or a story about this QB vs that QB. Then you project how good our team and our opponents' teams will be.

When you look at everything, there is only 1 other potential game I think could have been primetime, and that is the Ravens game, setting up a story about 2 new-ish coaches to their teams, one with an up and coming QB and one with a vet and how that duel will play out.

Every other game I find is either a shite opponent, a team that has no qb, both of those things, or just a division game, minus the Lions, but week 1 primetime they literally hand pick some of the biggest stories, so no way we were getting a week 1 game.

You could squint and maybe put the Bears game in there, but they already have 5 which seems a lot for them. If the Bengals was a home game you could do a Burrow "homecoming" storyline.

But 10 of our games are against teams with 3 or fewer primetime games. 15 are 4 or fewer. We just don't play those top teams everyone wants to see this year, and we still have to prove we are good before we get back to being a must see team ourselves. Being mediocre isn't good enough, and that's what we are being projected as (though I disagree).

re: 11-6

Posted by bonethug0180 on 5/14/26 at 7:12 pm to
13-4 frick it.
SOMETIMES the media team asks the coaches for input, but most of the time they basically take the biggest names and put them further up. Coaches do not go to the media team and give them anything, and they do not give them an official depth chart as they have no clue where most of these guys are right now to even do so.

The first hint of an "official" "depth chart" comes in training camp as you see who starts with the 1s and so on, but even that doesn't always tell you the whole story.
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Freaks in the area
This is not an issue around here. xD
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Fair enough. Palmer being ranked dead last on our depth chart and no where near KR depth is pretty telling as to his worth though. And that's with him having "proven" stats.
No official depth charts have been released. Anything on other sites is projecting, and anything on the Saints site is done by the media team, and often has little to no input from the coaches.

This isn't to argue for or against Palmer, just to say that there is no actual depth chart to use for arguing right now.
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I'd be pissed as a veteran player to see rookies making more than me based solely on potential.
It's wasn't even just that. Bradford, the last number 1 pick to get an unslotted deal, was one of the highest paid players in the league (top 10 in aav iirc at the time of signing).

It really did become unfair to teams and veterans what the rookies were making before ever playing a snap. For teams it was FAR too much risk and could even be cap crippling if you constantly picked high, and for vets they were getting a much smaller piece of the pie the higher the rookie contracts got.

After that happened with Bradford everyone (but the rookies) were in agreement it needed to be changed.
Overthecap also has all of that (you do have to know the basics to read what the outs are, however, as it doesn't outright tell you, but they are pretty obvious). Spotrac is better laid out with these things, I do agree.

Spotrac I would say is definitely a close second though, but they have issues with properly updating contracts at times, like with Carr after the adjustments made. I had a post about it from before free agency when looking at cap space and how they had several contracts wrong.
overthecap tends to stay the most up to date and accurate, they have a very in depth and easy to use cap calculator, and they also have things on there like comp pick projections and rookie salary pools far ahead of time.
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The Saints aren't trading a starter for less than 2 guys that legit shouldn't even be in the NFL...
I meant it more figurative than literal for taking a a draft pick to save cap vs just cutting him. That was just the extreme example.

I'd expect at least a 4th, maybe something that scales if he plays.

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Looked at the numbers wrong (was looking at a trade pre June 1st and confused that number with the post June 1st cut). We actually save about $7 mil post June 1st if cut, and about $10 mil if traded.

I still think we look to keep or trade him as opposed to cutting him, though I guess a cut is also on the table.
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As it stands, you let him play out this year,
If you let him play out this year there is no downside to converting his salary to bonus as he would be making the same amount regardless. It just changes when we pay it.

If we need the cap this year then we'd have the flexibility to use it, or we can carry it over to use on the portion we pushed like nothing happened.

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Only reason not to touch it is if it's possible he's gone this year, which after June 1st is possible both through cut or trade, though we save a lot more in trade so we may even take a 7th if we are done with him to save cap.

A post June 1st cut only saves cap in future years, basically amounting to a wash on this year's cap.
$14.2 mil (current cap room)
-$5.7 mil (1st to 3rd round rookies)
-$2.2 mil (player 52 and 53)
-$4 mil (practice squad)
= $2.3 mil for in season moves

I did forget about the practice squad cost, so if we are doing a signing for more than the minimum we will need to make more room. An Olave extension or restructuring Ruiz are the 2 most likely moves left, though Godchaux, Sheppard, and Wilson can also save some cap with restructures.

re: Werner contract restructure

Posted by bonethug0180 on 5/8/26 at 8:08 am to
They need roughly $2.2 mil total for the 52nd and 53rd players once they count. That would leave slightly over $2 mil left on the cap.

It definitely isn't a move that needed to be made now, but like I said it could be nothing as they can move the money around. The only thing it definitely signals is Werner is on the team this year. Or they could be going for a signing.

Loomis himself said they want Cam back, and while I thought after the trade and signing Jennings that meant the end of that, Loomis said he wants Cam on the team the day after the Jennings signing.

That doesn't mean it will work out, but we'll see what happens.

re: Werner contract restructure

Posted by bonethug0180 on 5/8/26 at 8:02 am to
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8: 5.6mm
40: 2.1
73: 1.3mm
136: 1.1
172: 1
190: 950
219: 930

$10mm free now
After rookies, $3 million over the cap roughly


Each one replaces (or doesn't in the case of the last 4) someone in the top 51, and anyone they replace is already on there for roughly $1.1 mil. So that's really only slightly less than $6 mil ($5.7 mil if I added that right) they take up.
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I thought they had plenty money for rookies last time I checked. Could be wrong.
They do. They had about $10 mil in space, with the rookies set to take about $6 mil of that (some of whom wouldn't be replacing anyone in the top 51 and others barely costing more than who they replace; only the 1st and 2nd round picks take up most of that).

But if there are no plans to cut Werner this year then this could just be book keeping (since he would have made whatever money was pushed, it just changes the year(s) it hits) as the unused space can just be rolled over. Or it could signal a move(s) like re-signing Jordan and/or signing Moore.

It definitely wasn't something that needed to be done, but it also is something that really doesn't change anything unless it's used for signings.
If he comes cheap it definitely doesn't hurt to add depth at nickel with the question mark there.
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Almost 700 of his yards came while we were playing from behind.
That doesn't make them garbage yards. How many of those yards came in close games?

Games can flip quick in the nfl and unless you are down by a lot in the 4th (the amounts depending on the time left), it's not garbage yards. Those can actually be the hardest yards to get until a team goes into prevent near the very end.
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7 drops
PFR has him at 6, but iirc most if not all the drops and 1 of the fumbles came with Rattler at QB (trying to find the game logs that has the drops breakdown). And iirc the fumble with Shough was a catch and turn with the defender immediately on him for the strip (not to say he shouldn't have secured it better, but it was very bang bang iirc).

Overall his play was definitely elevated once Shough was starting, whereas he was looking extremely rough with Rattler.