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re: Pelicans, one of the teams, reached out to Portland for Damian Lillard

Posted on 7/3/23 at 7:37 pm to
Posted by Hailstate15
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Posted on 7/3/23 at 7:37 pm to
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Zion is worlds ahead of Ingram as a player


I am taking Brandon’s 50 games over Zion’s 30. Zion is definitely more talented but BI is the leader of the team and will be getting a max deal unless he wants out (he doesn’t).

It really confuses me why Pelican’s fans can’t accept him as the future of this team. He isn’t going anywhere especially for some unproven guard like Scoot. The mocks on here and on twitter have and always will be laughably fricking stupid
This post was edited on 7/3/23 at 7:38 pm
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 7/3/23 at 7:50 pm to
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It really confuses me why Pelican’s fans can’t accept him as the future of this team
What's so hard to understand about settling for mediocrity?

That's exactly what we're doing by accepting that Ingram will be our #1.
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am taking Brandon’s 50 games over Zion’s 30
To clarify, that's 30 as the #1 seed vs the 50 with a sub .500 record.
This post was edited on 7/3/23 at 8:17 pm
Posted by Balsamic_duck
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 7/3/23 at 8:09 pm to
How did this thread get to 10 pages. We aren't getting dame. At best we sneak into this trade and dump kira or something
Posted by VOR
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Posted on 7/3/23 at 8:13 pm to
CJ was considered big game.
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 7/3/23 at 8:18 pm to
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CJ was considered big game.
Exactly, I've been trying to say this.

Our best 2 players are young and on max deals. CJ was the big trade for the 3rd guy.

This notion that we never make meaningful trades is odd.
Posted by Hailstate15
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Posted on 7/3/23 at 8:25 pm to
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What's so hard to understand about settling for mediocrity?

If you think Brandon Ingram is mediocre it might be time to get your eyes checked champ.
Posted by Colonel Flagg
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Posted on 7/3/23 at 8:28 pm to
Remember when the Pels were #1 in the conference and all the media talked about was how stacked the Pelicans were?
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 7/3/23 at 8:28 pm to
Probably because people bitch about every deal.

Steven Adams as center would have been considered a big trade if we had t moved from 4 down to 8 and the late teens in the process.

Val would be considered a big trade if not for a number of other pieces we got in related trades such as Bledsoe being busts.

Etc


People want to trade big but also want it to be a complete and total trade rape of the other team
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 7/3/23 at 8:28 pm to
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If you think Brandon Ingram is mediocre it might be time to get your eyes checked champ.
If Brandon Ingram is your #1, you are a mediocre team, you're not winning anything of note. We have years of data that shows this.

Accepting BI as your #1 is accepting we won't win a title for that entire time. It's accepting defeat.
This post was edited on 7/3/23 at 8:28 pm
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 7/3/23 at 8:29 pm to
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Remember when the Pels were #1 in the conference and all the media talked about was how stacked the Pelicans were?
That's when Zion was playing, a bunch of those without Ingram too. Yes, I remember.
Posted by Hailstate15
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Posted on 7/3/23 at 8:29 pm to
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If Brandon Ingram is your #1, you are a mediocre team, you're not winning anything of note.

Literally made a playoff push with Brandon playing and zion 360 no scoping during warm ups. Thats the story of Zion’s career thus far.
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 7/3/23 at 8:29 pm to
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People want to trade big but also want it to be a complete and total trade rape of the other team
CJ, Val and 2 1sts for Dame... call it in!!!
Posted by shel311
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 7/3/23 at 8:30 pm to
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Literally made a playoff push with Brandon playing and zion 360 no scoping during warm ups. Thats the story
Did you mean with Zion leading us to a 23-14 record, and us finishing 43-41?

Zion without BI has been a winning team. BI without Zion has been a sub 500 team. That's not my opinion, that's fact.
Posted by Hailstate15
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Posted on 7/3/23 at 8:33 pm to
Remind me again who averaged 30 in the playoffs against the best defense in the NBA. Wanna blame not winning that series on anyone? Blame it on zion for being fat and out of shape and Jaxson for being immature.
Posted by shel311
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 7/3/23 at 8:34 pm to
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Literally made a playoff push
FYI, what you remember as a playoff push was a 15-17 record from the time BI returned from injury.


That's mediocrity.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112918 posts
Posted on 7/3/23 at 8:35 pm to
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Remind me again who averaged 30 in the playoffs against the best defense in the NBA. Wanna blame not winning that series on anyone? Blame it on zion for being fat and out of shape and Jaxson for being immature.
You're changing the subject, why?

Stay on topic. You're crediting for this amazing playoff push where we went 15-17 while also telling me that's not mediocre. Why?
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 7/3/23 at 8:36 pm to
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If Brandon Ingram is your #1, you are a mediocre team, you're not winning anything of note. We have years of data that shows this.


Who are the best SFs in the NBA under 30?

Ingram also has versatility to play multiple positions.

I remember a time when the Pels/Hornets were desperate to find a dependable wing player like Ingram.
This post was edited on 7/3/23 at 8:39 pm
Posted by Pistol44
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2019
2305 posts
Posted on 7/3/23 at 8:40 pm to
Don’t even bother, had this debate with Shel a while back. He said BI was incapable of making an All Pro team?!? Zion is LeBron to him, all wins get credited to him while all loses are the other guys not giving him enough help ….lol
This post was edited on 7/3/23 at 8:41 pm
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
23488 posts
Posted on 7/3/23 at 8:40 pm to
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Zion without BI has been a winning team. BI without Zion has been a sub 500 team. That's not my opinion, that's fact.


The issue is way more complex then what you are presenting.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112918 posts
Posted on 7/3/23 at 8:44 pm to
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Don’t even bother, had this debate with Shel a while back. He said BI was incapable of making an All Pro team?!?
I said we'll never win a title with BI as #1 and I showed you the list of #1 dudes for the last 40 years. You ignored it. That's actually what happened.

You want us to magically be the 04 Pistons but without an all time awesome defense. We won't be the outlier just cause. You don't win a title of your best player is a Brandon Ingram level player. He's a #2.

It's odd that you think I'm so wrong and you're so correct when there's no evidence to support your argument, zero.
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Zion is LeBron to him, all wins get credited to him while all loses are the other guys not giving him enough help ….lol
Seems you have emotional takes and responses to me posting literal facts, like our record when 1 or the other. Why is that record not relevant to you? Seems you want to define your narrative first then ignore any evidence to the contrary.

All the evidence points to Zion being the better player.

Debate facts, don't do the odd emotional takes like "he thinks Zion is Lebron." that provides nothing to this debate. Debate the facts. You didn't do that last time but you can this time. :)
This post was edited on 7/3/23 at 8:46 pm
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