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re: Offseason player trade rumors thread
Posted on 6/23/21 at 7:41 pm to eyeran
Posted on 6/23/21 at 7:41 pm to eyeran
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Its insane for them to keep running that same team back.
Yeah, but CJ is allegedly seen as negative value around the league. Combine that with a lack of sellers and there may not be many moves for the Blazers to make. Olshey has to double down on "it was the coach, not the roster I built".
The Pels will be in an interesting dilemma too. If Griff tries to force he'll pay a premium, like 5+ 1sts to turn Bled/Adams into Brogdon/Sabonis.
How much worse is the team if you keep the picks and turn Bled/Adams into something like Buddy/Bertans?
You don't get the steady all around play of Brogdon/Sabonis, but maybe Zion/Ingram could handle crunch time creation better if they had 2 elite shooters on the floor with them. It costs you cap space and 2nds, compared to 5+ 1sts.
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 7:43 pm
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Posted on 6/23/21 at 7:49 pm to TigerinATL
I think the difference with us though, is that our threshold for improvement is a lot lower than Portland's(unless Zion has truly lost his mind).
A solid, non play in tourney, playoff team would be a successful season for us. And I honestly think we're just a few professional shooters/playmakers away from that.
I assume Dame has a championship in mind with Portland, at this point.
A solid, non play in tourney, playoff team would be a successful season for us. And I honestly think we're just a few professional shooters/playmakers away from that.
I assume Dame has a championship in mind with Portland, at this point.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 7:55 pm to TigerinATL
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turn Bled/Adams into something like Buddy/Bertans
If the Kings really are still trying to dump Buddy like they were last year, I think that's a non brainer. His contract is declining over the next 3 years and his shooting with Zions gravity are a perfect fit. Defense notwithstanding lol.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 7:59 pm to TigerinATL
Maybe Dame has told the Blazers he is out and they just want to keep CJ around as a nice vet leader for their rebuild after we send them 5 picks, Kira and Hayes for Lillard. Perhaps, I’m reaching here.
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 6/24/21 at 9:03 am to TigerinATL
quote:If those were my only 2 options, I may take the Buddy/Bertans route wait and see who shakes out at the deadline.
The Pels will be in an interesting dilemma too. If Griff tries to force he'll pay a premium, like 5+ 1sts to turn Bled/Adams into Brogdon/Sabonis.
How much worse is the team if you keep the picks and turn Bled/Adams into something like Buddy/Bertans?
Posted on 6/24/21 at 9:06 am to NOSHAU
Listening to different podcasts and whatnot...I am starting to get a little discouraged at our prospects of transforming the roster this offseason.
The lack of sellers combined with teams that have much better assets in the short term...its not the ideal situation.
The lack of sellers combined with teams that have much better assets in the short term...its not the ideal situation.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 9:22 am to eyeran
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solid, non play in tourney, playoff team would be a successful season for us. And I honestly think we're just a few professional shooters/playmakers away from that.
1. yep. 6th is the minimum because the playin can go bad fast if the other team has their #3 guy go off for his season high on you. it happens.
2. something my 12 yr old peers in Edgewater Park New Jersey would say re your post.
NO shite SHERLOCK.
you think adding A Few good shooters and point guards could help?
we are in your debt.
This post was edited on 6/24/21 at 9:25 am
Posted on 6/24/21 at 9:27 am to Fun Bunch
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The lack of sellers combined with teams that have much better assets in the short term...its not the ideal situation.
I’ve been saying this. We would be stupid to trade the pick just because. We’d be getting 30 cents on the dollar.
Our best bet will be to get a better fitting bad contract from another team. I’d def trade Bledsoe for Buddy or Bertrans. I didn’t like the Adams trade but I’m more inclined to hang on to him this year and then try to move him next offseason when he has one year left. He may have some value then instead of being a negative value right now.
This post was edited on 6/24/21 at 9:28 am
Posted on 6/24/21 at 9:45 am to Townedrunkard
are you going to bring Buddy off the bench? Is he going to be a bitch about that again?
or are you going to put NAW at the point and let Buddy start?
I would imagine you want Buddy playing with Zion, but that lineup sounds like a disaster defensively. NAW/Buddy/BI/Zion
I don't see the point in bringing in Buddy to come off the bench. I'd rather bring in an MLE guy like McDermott, or trade for Bertans, and give those backup SG minutes to whoever we draft.
or are you going to put NAW at the point and let Buddy start?
I would imagine you want Buddy playing with Zion, but that lineup sounds like a disaster defensively. NAW/Buddy/BI/Zion
I don't see the point in bringing in Buddy to come off the bench. I'd rather bring in an MLE guy like McDermott, or trade for Bertans, and give those backup SG minutes to whoever we draft.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 9:53 am to TeddyPadillac
MM threw out an interesting S&T of Hart for Kennard the other day. With Naji making Hart more expendable that's something to consider. Then flip Bledsoe for Bertans and you've really improved your bench shooting.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 9:56 am to TigerinATL
But also added significant questionable long term salary.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 10:06 am to TigerinATL
You have to remember that if the Clippers do a S&T for anyone, they have to get under the tax threshold, and that might be difficult for them. It's $137M i think, and they have like $150M in salary right now.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 10:09 am to 3PieceSpicy
Blazers are going to make a couple of big moves. The big rumor is a swap of McCollum for Simmons. They aren't sitting still this summer..
Posted on 6/24/21 at 10:11 am to brmark70816
Rumor yesterday was that CJ was promised by ownership and GM he was not being traded.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 10:14 am to Fun Bunch
Yeah, I would look more at small moves to improve for the short term.
Something like #10 and a couple 2nds to OKC for 16,18 and Dort.
18, Adams and Bledsoe to Sacramento for Buddy and Barnes.
Take BPA at 16, use MLE on a big man, re-sign Lonzo. Small moves, but a deeper and better team.
Something like #10 and a couple 2nds to OKC for 16,18 and Dort.
18, Adams and Bledsoe to Sacramento for Buddy and Barnes.
Take BPA at 16, use MLE on a big man, re-sign Lonzo. Small moves, but a deeper and better team.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 10:34 am to Soggymoss
quote:OKC loves Dort. Doubtful they would give him up in a trade to move up, but maybe. The Kings trade is not realistic. They see Barnes as an asset.
Something like #10 and a couple 2nds to OKC for 16,18 and Dort.
18, Adams and Bledsoe to Sacramento for Buddy and Barnes.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 10:38 am to Soggymoss
OKC wouldn't give up 16/18/Dort for 10. 16/18, sure, but they aren't throwing Dort in there for that, unless we add something to that deal, and a 2nd isn't adding something.
and if you brought in Dort, where's he playing? you putting NAW on the bench?
what's Buddy and Barnes doing on this team, coming off the bench?
we aren't resigning Lonzo.
and if you brought in Dort, where's he playing? you putting NAW on the bench?
what's Buddy and Barnes doing on this team, coming off the bench?
we aren't resigning Lonzo.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 10:42 am to TeddyPadillac
I would bet money on resigning Ball. He is an asset and they are not letting him wall for free. Maybe a S&T. But we are getting something back, if he leaves. I don't think he goes anywhere though. We'll resign him and he will be starting next year..
Posted on 6/24/21 at 10:46 am to TeddyPadillac
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we aren't resigning Lonzo.
I think the lack of sellers makes keeping Lonzo more likely. Sure NAW can take Lonzo's place in the starting lineup, but you still need a decent starter to upgrade Bledsoe. If you can trade for that player you probably keep Lonzo to start next to NAW.
I also wonder if the Zion leak was aimed at pressuring Griff to keep Lonzo. If Zion's camp is pressuring the team it's not to "make the team better", surely Griff promised to do that. There must be something Zion thinks can be done to improve that he fears the Pels won't do, like spending to keep Lonzo, or start burning the warchest now even though it's a terrible time to do that with the lack of sellers.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 10:48 am to TeddyPadillac
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I don't see the point in bringing in Buddy to come off the bench. I'd rather bring in an MLE guy like McDermott, or trade for Bertans, and give those backup SG minutes to whoever we draft.
Guess a lot of it will depend on who we draft. If we draft someone like Moody, no reason to trade for Buddy. I’m sure someone like Bertrans would be the target then. The fit will depend on who is available and the cost.
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