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Posted on 6/24/21 at 11:00 am to Soggymoss
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Buddy for Adams/Bledsoe is basically a wash
I doubt they see it that way. Buddy is better than both of those guys.
They only save money on the last year which has value.
I think that trade is not realistic at all.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 11:02 am to TigerinATL
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I think the lack of sellers makes keeping Lonzo more likely.
i love how everyone is just assuming this is going to be the case. I don't even know how this sentiment even started.
This belief that teams will fight to make the playin game is just silly. There's nothing successful about finishing 35-47.
There will be plenty of sellers, just as there always has been. Anyone can be had for the right price. You can't just be out there looking for deals that only favor your team.
and i'll take the bet that Lonzo won't be resigning here. We aren't rolling out Lonzo/NAW/BI next season. He's not a PG, and we aren't bringing NAW off the bench again with Lonzo starting in front of him. What you saw happened to Simmons in the playoffs is exactly the type of stuff i'd expect from Lonzo in a playoff series, which is why i really wanted to make the playoffs so he could prove me wrong, b/c i'd love to be wrong about that and keep him.
I'd bet there's been a S&T deal in place with Chicago for some time now.
You know what's funny to me? if you go to the good trade machine, when you go to sign Lonzo to a new contract, they estimate his value at $11M/yr based on performance. You do it for Duncan Robinson and they estimate it at $24M/yr. Obviously those aren't accurate, but it's pretty telling.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 11:02 am to Fun Bunch
If they don't see it that way then that's their issue, but it's a fair trade for both teams.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 11:06 am to TeddyPadillac
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There will be plenty of sellers, just as there always has been.
Maybe.
Who are they?
Who are the players being sold?
Posted on 6/24/21 at 11:07 am to TeddyPadillac
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and if you brought in Dort, where's he playing? you putting NAW on the bench?
Pretty simple
Lonzo/NAW/Kira
Buddy/Dort/Didi
Ingram/Naji
Zion/Barnes/Wenyen
Hayes/MLE/Willy
Like I said, deeper and better team. NAW runs the second unit, and you insert him into the closing lineup with NAW/Buddy/Ingram/Barnes/Zion (best closing 5 with that team imo)
Also, it seems some of you guys way overvalue Dort, he's no different than Naji, just plays hard and is good at one thing.
This post was edited on 6/24/21 at 11:09 am
Posted on 6/24/21 at 11:14 am to Fun Bunch
I don't know. and neither does anyone else.
but this thought that everyone seems to be going with that no one will be available is just dumb.
Did you expect Jae Crowder to leave Miami and go to Phoenix?
Did you expect Houston to move Robert Covington before Harden said he wanted out?
Did you expect Josh Richardson and Seth Curry to get swapped?
The crappy teams in the league will always be looking to unload decent players for future assets. Teams with cap issues will always be looking to unload players. good teams with guys that don't fit well will always be looking to upgrade.
but this thought that everyone seems to be going with that no one will be available is just dumb.
Did you expect Jae Crowder to leave Miami and go to Phoenix?
Did you expect Houston to move Robert Covington before Harden said he wanted out?
Did you expect Josh Richardson and Seth Curry to get swapped?
The crappy teams in the league will always be looking to unload decent players for future assets. Teams with cap issues will always be looking to unload players. good teams with guys that don't fit well will always be looking to upgrade.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 11:15 am to TigerinATL
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I think the lack of sellers makes keeping Lonzo more likely
Maybe, but I could just as easily see it the other way too. There will be teams that are looking to upgrade, but don’t have to cap space. Being able to get Ball on a sign and trade expands the market. I think matching salaries is the bigger hurdle.
I say this, yet this is all contingent on him getting a 18-20m a year offer. Watch some team throw a godfather offer at Ball and just price everyone out. That’s probably worst case scenario.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 11:16 am to TeddyPadillac
While there's definite truth in what you are saying, it does appear at first blush that there will be less obvious sellers than usual, and more obvious buyers than usual.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 11:17 am to Soggymoss
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Pretty simple
Lonzo/NAW/Kira
Buddy/Dort/Didi
Ingram/Naji
Zion/Barnes/Wenyen
Hayes/MLE/Willy
this isn't NBA2k. That starting lineup would get eviscerated defensively. Kira looks like he'd never play, and Barnes isn't a bench player, and neither is Dort. Barnes/Dort are great role players that should be starting around guys that are better than them. They should be the 4th or 5th piece that makes up a great starting lineup.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 11:20 am to Fun Bunch
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While there's definite truth in what you are saying, it does appear at first blush that there will be less obvious sellers than usual, and more obvious buyers than usual.
and if that's the case, then you just have to maybe give up a little bit extra to make the moves you want to make. luckily we have assets coming out of our arse.
Either be aggressive and get better, or sit back, run it back for the most part and not make the playoffs again.
We can't go into this year with Lonzo/BI/Zion/Jax as the starting lineup, unless we trade for someone who fills in that 5th starting role and he's the 2nd best player on the team.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 11:22 am to TeddyPadillac
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uckily we have assets coming out of our arse.
Unfortunately, teams like, say Golden State, which will be in a lot of the same market for players as us, have better immediate assets.
7 + 14 + Wiseman is much better than say 10 + Future pick + Kira or the like.
Ditto Sacramento which has 9.
OKC can blow us out of the water with immediate picks and future picks.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 11:49 am to Fun Bunch
and who is GSW trying to get with 7/14/Wiseman?
They can't take back big salaries, they have to match salaries. If they bring someone in that makes $30M/yr, either Wiggins or Draymond has to go. I'd gladly take back Wiggins as the 3rd team in a deal.
Wiseman is their better asset, not the picks. If someone wants Wiseman, then yeah they have a better asset. We could trade Jax if we wanted to, but i doubt we want to.
Sacramento doesn't have any great assets, unless they wanted to move Halliburton.
OKC isn't interested in getting vastly better this year, so i'm not sure why anyone is worried about them outbidding us for anything. They are more interested in making picks and taking on bad contract to get more picks.
The point remains, we can go get whoever the hell we want this offseason, it's how aggressive we want to be in doing so. If you want to Ainge it up and try to be a jew about every trade, then yeah, you probably aren't going to make any big moves. You want to be a fair trade partner, and you can get anyone you reasonably want.
They can't take back big salaries, they have to match salaries. If they bring someone in that makes $30M/yr, either Wiggins or Draymond has to go. I'd gladly take back Wiggins as the 3rd team in a deal.
Wiseman is their better asset, not the picks. If someone wants Wiseman, then yeah they have a better asset. We could trade Jax if we wanted to, but i doubt we want to.
Sacramento doesn't have any great assets, unless they wanted to move Halliburton.
OKC isn't interested in getting vastly better this year, so i'm not sure why anyone is worried about them outbidding us for anything. They are more interested in making picks and taking on bad contract to get more picks.
The point remains, we can go get whoever the hell we want this offseason, it's how aggressive we want to be in doing so. If you want to Ainge it up and try to be a jew about every trade, then yeah, you probably aren't going to make any big moves. You want to be a fair trade partner, and you can get anyone you reasonably want.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 12:29 pm to TeddyPadillac
I think there's a lot of pressure on some teams to shake things up. Maybe stars don't get dealt, but good role players will.
DAL has pressure to contend with Luka with limited assets. (Porzingis, Richardson)
GSW under pressure to win title with aging core and no cap room. (Wiggins)
MIN could feel pressure to contend with KAT and DAR and emerging Edwards (Beasley)
Does MIL run it back if ATL knocks them out this round? (Middleton)
POR under pressure from Lillard (McCollum, Nurkic)
Is PHI going to run it back with a potentially disgruntled Embiid? (Simmons)
Stevens has already shaken things up in BOS, will he do more? (Smart, Nesmith)
If ATL falls short, they could cash in some of their young pieces. (Reddish, Hunter, Huerter)
CHI just spent serious capital trying to contend and fell short. (Thad, Coby)
CLE in predicament if they choose Green or Suggs (Sexton)
JAZZ and LAC in a win now window.
There's going to be movement because some of these teams aren't/can't be satisfied with making a play in -- they have to make a leap. And even though we don't like some of the fits and/or contracts, teams may need us as a facilitator.
DAL has pressure to contend with Luka with limited assets. (Porzingis, Richardson)
GSW under pressure to win title with aging core and no cap room. (Wiggins)
MIN could feel pressure to contend with KAT and DAR and emerging Edwards (Beasley)
Does MIL run it back if ATL knocks them out this round? (Middleton)
POR under pressure from Lillard (McCollum, Nurkic)
Is PHI going to run it back with a potentially disgruntled Embiid? (Simmons)
Stevens has already shaken things up in BOS, will he do more? (Smart, Nesmith)
If ATL falls short, they could cash in some of their young pieces. (Reddish, Hunter, Huerter)
CHI just spent serious capital trying to contend and fell short. (Thad, Coby)
CLE in predicament if they choose Green or Suggs (Sexton)
JAZZ and LAC in a win now window.
There's going to be movement because some of these teams aren't/can't be satisfied with making a play in -- they have to make a leap. And even though we don't like some of the fits and/or contracts, teams may need us as a facilitator.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 12:45 pm to Soggymoss
quote:I would doubt we could get Buddy for simply Adams and Bledsoe.
And they are getting a 1st round pick for him...
Buddy for Adams/Bledsoe is basically a wash
Posted on 6/24/21 at 12:49 pm to kadillak
exactly. Some teams are going to get rid of guys that aren't helping them reach their goals, but can help other teams playing a different role, like Luke Kennard.
I don't know why people think GSW is going to move Wiggins. He was great for them this past year, and shot great from 3 and played good defense. Curry/Klay/Wiggins backcourt should be really good. Draymond is still a good fit for them. All they need is some quality depth, not another superstar.
Kevin Love isn't helping the Cavs, but could help someone else. Same with Porzingis. Joe Harris didn't really help out Brooklyn in the playoffs. Deandre Jordan didn't even play. I think they could really benefit from having a guy like Steven Adams anchoring down low, and only shooting when he gets offensive rebounds, sometimes.
I don't know why people think GSW is going to move Wiggins. He was great for them this past year, and shot great from 3 and played good defense. Curry/Klay/Wiggins backcourt should be really good. Draymond is still a good fit for them. All they need is some quality depth, not another superstar.
Kevin Love isn't helping the Cavs, but could help someone else. Same with Porzingis. Joe Harris didn't really help out Brooklyn in the playoffs. Deandre Jordan didn't even play. I think they could really benefit from having a guy like Steven Adams anchoring down low, and only shooting when he gets offensive rebounds, sometimes.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 12:49 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:Are you convinced NAW is a starter?
We aren't rolling out Lonzo/NAW/BI next season. He's not a PG, and we aren't bringing NAW off the bench again with Lonzo starting in front of him.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 12:55 pm to NOSHAU
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Are you convinced NAW is a starter?
I'm convinced he's better than Bledsoe, and for now that's the bar we need to clear. Hopefully some moves are available that let us raise that bar, but replacing/upgrading Bledsoe and JJ have to be the top priorities.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 12:55 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I don't know why people think GSW is going to move Wiggins. He was great for them this past year, and shot great from 3 and played good defense. Curry/Klay/Wiggins backcourt should be really good. Draymond is still a good fit for them. All they need is some quality depth, not another superstar.
I'm not well versed in their cap situation and was exceptions they have, but my understanding is they don't have any cap room and Wiggins is kind of the odd contract out if they want to upgrade their roster? I agree though, he played well for them and I really like how Kerr used him down the stretch getting him downhill to the paint.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 1:12 pm to NOSHAU
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Are you convinced NAW is a starter?
not really, but i know we can't have those 3 as the starting guards.
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