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re: Offseason player trade rumors thread
Posted on 7/3/21 at 4:49 pm to Fun Bunch
Posted on 7/3/21 at 4:49 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:So, you are saying another team will only offer him MLE or less in free agency? If so, we should be able to re-sign him cheaply. I am sure there are no GMs that will pay him more just because of his name. Actually, I think the main reason so many are down on him is because of his name (and the hate for his father).
If his name wasn’t Lonzo Ball he wouldn’t even be in line for the MLE.
This post was edited on 7/3/21 at 4:55 pm
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Posted on 7/3/21 at 5:02 pm to NOSHAU
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I think the main reason so many are down on him is because of his name (and the hate for his father).
So many are down on him because the expectation is he will get $20-$25 million per year. Anunoby is making $18. I would expect Huerter to make under $20 as well. Bridges will probably get over $20 but that's because Phoenix is headed to the Finals and teams usually pay more to keep good teams together.
If Lonzo stays and ends up getting $18 or less I think there will be less hate for him. But there is still the problem of his role on the team. It's not Lonzo's fault he's being asked to be the best perimeter defender, but with the current makeup, that's what the team needs him to be.
This post was edited on 7/3/21 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 7/3/21 at 5:28 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:No
Is there a certain % of a PG’s attempts that should come at the rim?
quote:Efficiency
Like what are you looking for here?
quote:34% is a fary cry from 15%, no?
15% of Lonzo’s attempts came at the rim this past season. Guy like Jrue has 34% at the rim. CP3 - 7%.
7% is ok if you're uber efficient from everywhere like CP3. See CP3's well above average TS% compared to Lonzo's below average TS%
quote:Again, efficieny is the mark. Zo is below average efficiency, that's the "arbitrary" mark we're looking for.
What arbitrary mark are we chasing here and what type of PG are we labeling Lonzo?
quote:You have no issues with how he gets through screens? Really?
This is the negative version of “throws Zion full court lobs”
quote:Do you value consistency at all? If so, I imagine you have some red flags over Zo's consistency, being below league average in 3pt FG% in over half the months of the season. Is that not a concern to you?
I just had to check, and you’re removing 27% of his attempts on the year? Bravo
Will you comment on his year over year improvements or name the peers that hit his statistical markers?
Posted on 7/3/21 at 6:48 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:Depends on the contract. There's a level his contract could go to that could immediately become a negative value asset, in which case we should just let him go.
This is where everyone should be at
quote:If the price gets over $20mil, I think most of us would be saying the same for those players as we would for Zo.
I will offer this as a parting gift. The fellas are saying, “if his name wasn’t Ball, we wouldn’t want him”. K reckon it’s actually the opposite. Let me ask, if his name was say oh idk Miles Bridges, Og anunoby, a Kevin Huerter (spare me the literally comps plz) - let’s call em similarly aged guys who have improved every year of their young career and haven’t hit their ceiling - would this fan base be clamoring for a Lonzo return?
Posted on 7/3/21 at 6:49 pm to NOSHAU
quote:It's just the way it's framed. Probably not the best way to frame it by saying just pretend February didn't happen.
So, is February not part of the season? Why would you take a month out just to prove a point you want to prove?
But it is very relevant to see how inconsistent he has been. Someone else posted comparing him to others in how often they shoot above(or maybe it was below?) 36%, and Zo was not nearly as consistent as the group he was compared to.
I once compared him to Brogdon based on # of games shooting below 25% from 3. And while the #s weren't terribly different, the difference was when Zo shot that poor from 3, he gave you virtually nothing else in terms of scoring, whereas Brogdon could still get buckets from inside the arc. This wasn't meant to directly compare to Brogdon in this thread, just pointing out something that was a comparison in a different thread to point out consistency.
This post was edited on 7/3/21 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 7/3/21 at 8:18 pm to TigerinATL
quote:I doubt that. I agree that if his cost exceeds that, management needs to move him.
If Lonzo stays and ends up getting $18 or less I think there will be less hate for him.
Posted on 7/3/21 at 8:59 pm to NOSHAU
The hate for Lo has zero to do salary. There was no hate for Adams who earned $30M last year. Lonzo clearly outperformed Adams last season.
Folks use irrelevant and irrational reasons to toss shade. I barely passed algebra but I do know three points is greater than two. And a 40% three pointer scorer is equivalent to a 60% slasher.
Just curious to know what position does Bledsoe play?
Folks use irrelevant and irrational reasons to toss shade. I barely passed algebra but I do know three points is greater than two. And a 40% three pointer scorer is equivalent to a 60% slasher.
Just curious to know what position does Bledsoe play?
This post was edited on 7/3/21 at 9:07 pm
Posted on 7/3/21 at 10:02 pm to Jon1798
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If I had to pay Huerter or Miles Bridges over $20 million a year, I would throw up in my mouth. OG is a massively better player, and will be making $16 million next season.
Have you watched huerter in the playoffs? He will easily make between 15 and 20 mil when his rookie deal is up.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 10:53 am to Soggymoss
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Dejounte Murray and Derrick White could both be gettable from the Spurs, sources tell @talkhoops, making them a team to keep an eye on around the draft.
Interesting players.
Dinwiddie:
quote:
Spencer Dinwiddie: "The Nets have the ability to do something that other people can't. If they come to the table ... and are saying, 'Hey we got five [years], $125 [million] for you,' I would say there's a high likelihood that I go back to the Nets."
Spencer Dinwiddie (continued): "But if they don't come to the table like that, and they're like 'Oh, we're going to give you a three [years] for $60 [million],' well, anybody can do that."
The Mavericks and Heat are reportedly interested in Dinwiddie too.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 3:19 pm to Fun Bunch
I’m not interested in paying Dinwiddie $25m/yr.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 3:22 pm to TeddyPadillac
Yeah, I'd rather give Lonzo his 20 than Dinwiddie 25
Posted on 7/10/21 at 4:25 pm to Soggymoss
20 a year is my max for Zo. If someone wants to pay him more than go for it!! I wouldn’t even be mad at Zo!! lol
Posted on 7/10/21 at 4:37 pm to Mad Scientist26
I’d be pretty surprised if we didn’t S&T Lonzo
Posted on 7/10/21 at 5:11 pm to Chalkywhite84
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Have you watched huerter in the playoffs? He will easily make between 15 and 20 mil when his rookie deal is up.
He was absolutely great in that one game in the conference finals, but you can argue he was one of the key factors in the Hawks losing the next game. He got absolutely torched on defense the next game. I honestly have no idea if he is worth 15+ per year.
Posted on 7/21/21 at 1:06 pm to Soggymoss
I honestly have no idea how to feel about that if even remotely true.
Posted on 7/21/21 at 1:11 pm to Fun Bunch
I would assume Beal would become more available if that were to occur.
I would not be concerned if that happened.
I would not be concerned if that happened.
Posted on 7/21/21 at 1:14 pm to Soggymoss
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Report: Lakers have discussed sign-and-trade with Dennis Schroder, Kyle Kuzma and Talen Horton-Tucker for Russell Westbrook
So just the Lakers have discussed it? lol
Posted on 7/21/21 at 1:17 pm to Fun Bunch
AD would be 3rd banana lol
He’d probably love that considering how much of a pussy he is
Would be an interesting team. I feel like Russ and Bron could potentially clash if things don’t go well.
He’d probably love that considering how much of a pussy he is
Would be an interesting team. I feel like Russ and Bron could potentially clash if things don’t go well.
Posted on 7/21/21 at 1:22 pm to Soggymoss
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Report: Lakers have discussed sign-and-trade with Dennis Schroder, Kyle Kuzma and Talen Horton-Tucker for Russell Westbrook LINK
funny, i did'nt know free agency started.
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