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Posted on 7/10/17 at 2:10 pm to BallHawk
quote:Yeah, solid move. Their front office is decisive and moves quickly. Dell apparently has been working on the same potential trade from the get go as all the free agents sign elsewhere.
Spurs sign Joffrey Lauvergne - smart move on their part
Posted on 7/10/17 at 2:10 pm to NOSHAU
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Where are you getting those #s from?
My spreadsheet which pulls from a number of sources but mostly Basketball Insiders.
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Trading QPon/Ajinca/Toupane adds only about $1.7 million of cap.
Why would Toupane be in the deal? You only need Ajinca and QPon to make the salaries work. If we want Toupane's salary back we can cut him ourselves and without him in the trade Brooklyn generates a potentially more useful trade exception. Toupane will get replaced by Miller or some other shooter on a minimum deal anyway so you can't take that salary out, at least not for tax purposes.
Here are my numbers.
Anthony Davis $ 23,775,506.00
Jrue Holiday $ 24,670,000.00
DeMarcus Cousins $ 18,063,850.00
Solomon Hill $ 12,236,535.00
Omer Asik $ 10,595,505.00
E'tuwan Moore $ 8,445,024.00
Alexis Ajinca $ 4,961,798.00
Quincy Pondexter $ 3,853,931.00
Jordan Crawford $ 1,709,538.00
Cheick Diallo $ 1,312,611.00
Quinn Cook $ 1,312,611.00
Axel Toupane $ 1,471,382.00
Frank Jackson $ 815,615.00
Total Salary $ 113,223,906.00
Salary Cap $ 99,093,000.00
Cap Space $ (14,130,906.00)
Tax Threshold $ 119,266,000.00
Room to Tax $ 6,042,094.00
Posted on 7/10/17 at 2:24 pm to TigerinATL
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What do you do with any PG you trade for when the time comes? Starting next year:
AD - $36
Cousins - $31
Jrue - $26
Hill - $12
Moore - $8
AD ins't making $36M next year, and is $31M Cousins cap hold?
Your point still stands though, that we won't have cap space next summer, so when you think about it, if we are really looking to be a championship team, that isnt' happening this year, and it isn't happening next year. The Warriors will win it the next two years, then will have to get rid of Klay b/c of ridiculous tax payouts. Lebron will be closer to retirement.
So all we should be doing is getting ready to have the best team in 2020. Maybe holding onto the first round pick throughout this year, and making a trade during the draft where you can offer your 2018 and 2019 pick to get a better player, then doing what you can to get serviceable players and rid yourself of bad contracts and go into the 2020 season ready to compete for a championship.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 2:29 pm to TeddyPadillac
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AD ins't making $36M next year, and is $31M Cousins cap hold?
True, he'd sign an extension which would start the following year. And Cousins' cap hold would just be $27 but he'll be making the max. Even if it's a year later than what I was talking about the point is can they have 4 players making $20+? That's why so many were against Jrue getting paid. It just feels unsustainable.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 2:39 pm to TigerinATL
I agree.
It would be fine paying those 4 guys $20M if they were a championship level team. I don't see this unless we make a trade for someone worth a shite and AD takes his game to another level.
It would also be fine if we had good players on rookie contracts, which we will never have anytime soon.
It would be fine paying those 4 guys $20M if they were a championship level team. I don't see this unless we make a trade for someone worth a shite and AD takes his game to another level.
It would also be fine if we had good players on rookie contracts, which we will never have anytime soon.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 2:40 pm to TeddyPadillac
I agree with that. Our window will be after the Warriors "fall apart". Whatever we do now wont win us a championship, just get us closer to playoffs / 'contender' status.
Setting the roster up well for 2019-2020 is all we should be focusing on now and that starts with resigning DMC when the time comes.
Setting the roster up well for 2019-2020 is all we should be focusing on now and that starts with resigning DMC when the time comes.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 3:22 pm to SoFresh
In 2019-2020, we'll have AD and Jrue at $27M each, Boogie at around $32 and Solo at $12.7M. That's about $99M with a cap at around $105-110. We won't have the cap room to even try to convince any star to come over in FA for the next few years. The fate of the franchise lies in Dell's hands to maneuver with trades and we see how far that's gotten us. It's a grim outlook unless AD/DC becomes the big man version of the splash brothers.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 3:29 pm to Not Cooper
Yep, it seems pretty apparent that the only real path forward is hitting huge on a late draft pick and hoping Demps finally got one right and Jrue out performs the overpay he got and crazily enough becomes a easily moveable contract.
But man the Hill contract is really just so bad. And it could of so easily been anticipated. Much like Asik. Demps just loves to overpay for players he has convinced himself are much better then they actually are.
But man the Hill contract is really just so bad. And it could of so easily been anticipated. Much like Asik. Demps just loves to overpay for players he has convinced himself are much better then they actually are.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 3:34 pm to Not Cooper
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It's a grim outlook unless AD/DC becomes the big man version of the splash brothers.
Which isn't out of the realm of possibility. This clip of AD/DC highlights is only a minute, so there's not much there, but there are several plays where one dumps it into the other with 3-4 defenders around them packing the paint and they still score with ease. That 7 footer to 7 footer pass vs. a Small Ball league makes it like high schoolers vs. middle schoolers and it just doesn't matter how many defenders are there. LINK
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Posted on 7/10/17 at 3:37 pm to Not Cooper
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The fate of the franchise lies in Dell's hands to maneuver with trades and we see how far that's gotten us
You mean he turned two late lottery picks into an all nba player?
We just saw CP3 get traded for the 18th pick, who isn't all that promising, and Beverly/Williams. We saw Paul George get traded for a bad contract and a young big.
I think if you can get Diallo looking good this year, go into the draft next year with your pick, and look to move Diallo, the 2018 pick and the 2019 pick, you can get an allstar.
Lebron could leave Cleveland after next year and they are stuck with a shitty team and Kyrie telling them he isn't staying there and wants to be traded.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 3:43 pm to TeddyPadillac
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You mean he turned two late lottery picks into an all nba player?
he was insanely lucky in the cousins trade. Teams were willing to throw more than us, sacramento had an insane infatuation for Hield.
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We just saw CP3 get traded for the 18th pick, who isn't all that promising, and Beverly/Williams.
He was leaving, at least LAC got something in return for it. A mid-late 1st, 6th man Williams, and defensive 1st team Bev. LAC then turned the 1st round pick into Danilo Gallinari.
Dell on the other hand had no intentions of re-signing Gordon or Anderson and let both go for free recouping nothing. We take that 1st round pick for Anderson that was apparently offered, we could have probably used it right about now to clear 10mil off the books.
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We saw Paul George get traded for a bad contract and a young big.
Unique situation, PG ruined the market and Indy was even dumber than Sac
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I think if you can get Diallo looking good this year, go into the draft next year with your pick, and look to move Diallo, the 2018 pick and the 2019 pick, you can get an allstar.
Lebron could leave Cleveland after next year and they are stuck with a shitty team and Kyrie telling them he isn't staying there and wants to be traded.
Yeah.. we ain't getting kyrie.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 3:44 pm to bonhoeffer45
To doom and gloom a bit more. With the West the way it is, team directional changes in the East always possible, there is more then a good chance that some pretty ideal pieces could be on the move by the deadline or next offseason when a few owners. Guys like Crowder, McCollum, and Batum. Free agents like Reddick again, Avery Bradley, Robert Covington, Ariza, Hood(RFA but Jazz lost Hayward), and of course John Wall.
Lots of opportunities where a better positioned Pelicans team could have something pretty damn strong in their hands if they had the assets and cap flexibility to make things work. But Hill, Moore, Asik, and Ajinca basically make that impossible.
Lots of opportunities where a better positioned Pelicans team could have something pretty damn strong in their hands if they had the assets and cap flexibility to make things work. But Hill, Moore, Asik, and Ajinca basically make that impossible.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 3:51 pm to htran90
Yeah failing to get anything for Ryno and Gordon is really ridiculous. Mostly Ryno though.
Especially considering respected sports journalists like Lowe and Woj were saying the problem in moving Ryno was 1.) confusion on who was in charge and 2.) a sky high asking price on the part of Dell. But really, Ryno should of been moved the season before.
I honestly am baffled people still defend the guy. He already failed the totality of one rebuild, but now we are to have faith he can execute the next one?
Especially considering respected sports journalists like Lowe and Woj were saying the problem in moving Ryno was 1.) confusion on who was in charge and 2.) a sky high asking price on the part of Dell. But really, Ryno should of been moved the season before.
I honestly am baffled people still defend the guy. He already failed the totality of one rebuild, but now we are to have faith he can execute the next one?
Posted on 7/10/17 at 3:51 pm to TeddyPadillac
He's made one really good trade. A couple decent ones. Several really bad ones. Unless he finds a way to dump/buyout Asik and/or Ajinca he won't have any assets to use when the draft comes.
If he weasels his way out of those guys and keeps our best assets then I'll have more confidence.
If he weasels his way out of those guys and keeps our best assets then I'll have more confidence.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 3:53 pm to bonhoeffer45
I've consumed all 104 pages of this thread and based on the info provided, I have determined the best possible trade for us..
Send Q-Pon's corpse, an Austin Rivers rookie card, and a future 2nd to Milwaukee to trade conferences with us
Send Q-Pon's corpse, an Austin Rivers rookie card, and a future 2nd to Milwaukee to trade conferences with us
Posted on 7/10/17 at 3:59 pm to bonhoeffer45
quote:Especially with reports that we were offered 1st round picks for Ryno (the last offer was from the Raptors for their 2018 1st rounder). Dell hasn't learned that something is better than nothing.
Yeah failing to get anything for Ryno and Gordon is really ridiculous. Mostly Ryno though.
Especially considering respected sports journalists like Lowe and Woj were saying the problem in moving Ryno was 1.) confusion on who was in charge and 2.) a sky high asking price on the part of Dell. But really, Ryno should of been moved the season before.
I honestly am baffled people still defend the guy. He already failed the totality of one rebuild, but now we are to have faith he can execute the next one?
Posted on 7/10/17 at 4:08 pm to NOSHAU
Yeah it was really beyond indefensible. If such a thing is even possible, but if it is, that situation was it. Straight GM criminality.
Ryno was never going to be in our plans past that contract the moment Davis made it clear he wanted to be a PF.
Ryno was never going to be in our plans past that contract the moment Davis made it clear he wanted to be a PF.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 4:42 pm to Not Cooper
Well, I think you've got to trade Asik and Ajinca by next offseason, then sign a legit guy, and use Boogie's bird rights to give him the max. Or at least I believe that's how it would work. Assuming a cap of $100MM:
2018-2019
Jrue - 25
AD - 25
Solo - 12
Moore - 8
FA - 30
Boogie - 30 or whatever
2018-2019
Jrue - 25
AD - 25
Solo - 12
Moore - 8
FA - 30
Boogie - 30 or whatever
Posted on 7/10/17 at 5:13 pm to TigerinATL
I am interested to see how Davis and Cousins get foul calls. They are both super stars and should get calls, but if they get fair calls it will give the Pels a huge advantage. It is potentially the best thing about the duo with their ability to put teams in foul trouble. I just hope the league doesn't hold back to not make them so dominant.
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