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Posted on 1/31/18 at 1:19 pm to NOFOX
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Complex negotiations are not foreign to me.
You don't know things like Mikey knows things. Just have a seat.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 1:24 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
quote:Because he had a high enough salary and was expiring. That is how the negotiations worked. I do not think anyone can complain about the result.
Sure, but you could have thrown in anyone for salary purposes. Why throw in a guy that you value?
Posted on 1/31/18 at 1:25 pm to NOFOX
Actions will speak louder than words. If you spend money and put a good team.around AD that will mean more to him than a narrative you put out to the media back in January of 2018
Posted on 1/31/18 at 1:35 pm to Crewz
The good news is that we are super active and are looking to dump both Asik and Ajinca while taking back a short term contributor.
If this works out in our favor, no one should complain. The 1st round pick will have served its purpose.
If this works out in our favor, no one should complain. The 1st round pick will have served its purpose.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 1:41 pm to NOSHAU
I'm not complaining about the result. I'm just questioning why we're discussing giving up a pick for a player we discarded as a throw in for the boogie trade
This post was edited on 1/31/18 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 1/31/18 at 1:50 pm to Crewz
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Actions will speak louder than words. If you spend money and put a good team.around AD that will mean more to him than a narrative you put out to the media back in January of 2018
Actions speak louder than words is overly simplistic thinking and ignores the reality of today. Of course you want to put a good team around AD. The problem is on the periphery. How good does the team around AD have to be for him to stay? Top 2 seed? Conference finals? What if we get a top 3 seed and lose a 7 game series in the second round. Perception matters at that point.
The campaign targeting AD is layered. He hears/reads these things constantly and it begins to form doubts in his mind regardless of reality. Hell he had to go to Dell and ask if he was going to be traded to Boston even though the idea is completely divorced from reality.
It does not matter if we intend to spend. Narratives and PR matter as evidenced by last night. If the Mirotic deal does not happen and he does well somewhere else while the deal we make brings just decent results, the media is going to harp on the Pelicans are cheap narrative that we ourselves introduced as a negotiating tactic.
AD will constantly read that the organization is cheap and it will affect his perception regardless of whether we spent money or put decent players around him later. The risk of that happening is not worth the minute negotiating leverage you may gain from spreading that narrative.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 2:08 pm to NOFOX
I think you're a bit dramatic with this. Most teams won't go over the tax threshold unless they feel they have a championship contender. The Pelicans won't have a problem going into the tax if they feel there's a good chance they can compete with the big boys.
The Pelicans will have the flexibility to add to their roster once they are able to unload both Asik and Ajinca. What they do after that will have a large impact on how a guy like Davis will view the organization.
If you jump through hoops and go past the threshold and can't compete, it's not sustainable and you're going to have to blow the team up a lot faster than you would with a legitimate contender. See the Washington Wizards and their situation. We don't want that situation. Every move going forward needs to be the right move. We should not scramble to make any moves. This core needs to be together for at least 4-5 more years to see what their potential are.
The Pelicans will have the flexibility to add to their roster once they are able to unload both Asik and Ajinca. What they do after that will have a large impact on how a guy like Davis will view the organization.
If you jump through hoops and go past the threshold and can't compete, it's not sustainable and you're going to have to blow the team up a lot faster than you would with a legitimate contender. See the Washington Wizards and their situation. We don't want that situation. Every move going forward needs to be the right move. We should not scramble to make any moves. This core needs to be together for at least 4-5 more years to see what their potential are.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 2:32 pm to supe12sta12z
So, nothing happening huh?
Posted on 1/31/18 at 2:35 pm to saints5021
trade deadline is still 8 days away.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 2:40 pm to saints5021
With Detroit already unloading a pick, what teams are out there willing to dump a 1st, let alone a 1st in the teens? The Pels have what the sellers are looking for. They should absolutely run the clock out waiting for the highest bid.
Like Pelicans Bay brought up, last year we were hearing all kinds of rumors about Okafor and other bigs we had interest, and then they landed Boogie out of nowhere. Can Charlotte not trade Kemba after they put him on the block? If they do feel now is the time, the Pels have to have one of the better offers.
Like Pelicans Bay brought up, last year we were hearing all kinds of rumors about Okafor and other bigs we had interest, and then they landed Boogie out of nowhere. Can Charlotte not trade Kemba after they put him on the block? If they do feel now is the time, the Pels have to have one of the better offers.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 2:47 pm to TigerinATL
quote:That's the type of player we should be holding out for IMO. Is that realistic? Maybe not, but worth a shot.
Can Charlotte not trade Kemba after they put him on the block? If they do feel now is the time, the Pels have to have one of the better offers.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 2:48 pm to Fun Bunch
Just a friendly reminder that Demps is a terrible GM:
1. Traded a 1st for Asik.
2. Hired Gentry, a pace and space coach.
3. Resigned Asik to a terrible contract, even though Asik had no other bidders and is not a good fit for a pace and space system.
4. Tries attaching a 1st to Asik in order to dump him.
ETA: Not directed at Fun Bunch. Just wanted to reiterate Demps' lunacy.
1. Traded a 1st for Asik.
2. Hired Gentry, a pace and space coach.
3. Resigned Asik to a terrible contract, even though Asik had no other bidders and is not a good fit for a pace and space system.
4. Tries attaching a 1st to Asik in order to dump him.
ETA: Not directed at Fun Bunch. Just wanted to reiterate Demps' lunacy.
This post was edited on 1/31/18 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 1/31/18 at 3:01 pm to Solo
Can we afford Kemba and still sign Boogie?
Posted on 1/31/18 at 3:03 pm to Solo
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ETA: Not directed at Fun Bunch. Just wanted to reiterate Demps' lunacy.
And it's funny hearing reports that "gentry wanted asik and ajinca"
I bet gentry didn't want asik for 5/50mil and ajinca for 4/20 or whatever it was.
Absolutely crazy he still has a job. I don't even hate monty or gentry as much as I hate Demps. A coach can only do so much with what he's given.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 3:05 pm to Crewz
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Mirotic and his agent are working with the Pels and against the Bulls on this one.
They are helping Dell if you stand back and look at it. All the Bulls gotta do is accept Ajinca and this deal gets done and Dell is fine with the second year
Ajinca+Asik is ~$3.5M > Mirotic contract.
The bulls sold the Jordan Bell pick for $3.5M
Posted on 1/31/18 at 3:05 pm to saints5021
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Can we afford Kemba and still sign Boogie?
Considering you probably have to take on a bad contract like Marvin Williams, you'll have to be a tax team next year. But the fact that they are going after him suggests the team thinks adding Kemba makes them good enough to justify that.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 3:26 pm to Solo
Demps isn't terrible---he's made a ton of great moves and if it weren't for injuries he'd be viewed with much more success.
EG was hurt nearly every year here---goes to Houston and plays damn near every game.
Similar to Ryan Anderson. Never hurt---comes here and bam.
Look at Boogie--- we're on the verge of competing for a top seed in the West and bam a guy that has never been hurt his entire career suffers a massive injury.
We all know how fragile AD has been and add in Jrue's injury woes and wife situation.
Not saying Dell is a great GM I just don't think he's terrible like you guys make him out to be. Context matters. I mean Dell found a starting NBA player from the Dleague and the guy ends up getting shot dead. all of that directly impacts on court success but none of those things were his fault
EG was hurt nearly every year here---goes to Houston and plays damn near every game.
Similar to Ryan Anderson. Never hurt---comes here and bam.
Look at Boogie--- we're on the verge of competing for a top seed in the West and bam a guy that has never been hurt his entire career suffers a massive injury.
We all know how fragile AD has been and add in Jrue's injury woes and wife situation.
Not saying Dell is a great GM I just don't think he's terrible like you guys make him out to be. Context matters. I mean Dell found a starting NBA player from the Dleague and the guy ends up getting shot dead. all of that directly impacts on court success but none of those things were his fault
This post was edited on 1/31/18 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 1/31/18 at 3:28 pm to TigerinATL
what kind of financial situation are the Pelicans in? Do they turn a profit now? How much of a tax fee can they afford before they start losing money?
Posted on 1/31/18 at 3:29 pm to supe12sta12z
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I think you're a bit dramatic with this. Most teams won't go over the tax threshold unless they feel they have a championship contender. The Pelicans won't have a problem going into the tax if they feel there's a good chance they can compete with the big boys.
I just hate the idea that we are spreading the "our ownership is cheap" narrative as part of a negotiating tactic when it is not necessary. If Pels writers and TD posters see through the facade, do we really expect an NBA GM to be pressured by it in any meaningful way?
It is just bad PR and gives ammunition to the media whose writings influence AD's perception of this team whether we like it or not. Leak info that paints Gar-Pax in a bad light or suggest that we are making some headway on another trade for a better player. It gives you the same amount of leverage.
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