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re: NBA Offseason officially kicks off, Ingram’s days in NOLA coming to an end per Stein
Posted on 6/21/24 at 2:14 am to Pels_Yaz
Posted on 6/21/24 at 2:14 am to Pels_Yaz
Lonzo’s thought to have been done for years due to his knees not recovering after multiple surgeries.
My problem would be whether we have the roster spot for him given who we have under contract and who we likely end up with should BI get traded.
If we are short on roster spots we aren’t really in a position to gamble on Lonzo making a comeback even as a sub.
My problem would be whether we have the roster spot for him given who we have under contract and who we likely end up with should BI get traded.
If we are short on roster spots we aren’t really in a position to gamble on Lonzo making a comeback even as a sub.
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Posted on 6/21/24 at 2:25 am to TigerinATL
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So BI to Philly with the Pels getting back Kessler and Murray with picks going elsewhere like Utah and another team to send stuff to Atlanta?
This is a tough one mainly because it’s hard to place a value on Lavine. Will Utah give up players for him when they have plenty of draft picks and the cap space to take him in? Would something like this work for everyone?
Jazz: Lavine, #21
Bulls: #16, 2028 1st from Philly
Hawks: Sexton, 2-4 2nds from Philly
Philly: Ingram, Nance
Pels: Murray, Kessler, Reed, #10
Jazz get Lavine and don’t have to give up any picks with Sexton/Kessler, just move down a little in the draft
Bulls basically salary dump but their pick next season is lottery protected so they do have a reason to tank and grab extra picks.
Hawks may not be getting enough here? I don’t see Murray as that much more valuable than Sexton though.
6ers keep 36 million in cap space to target OG or multiple players along with two tradeable 1sts.
We trade up as we’ve been rumored to be trying, get a starting PG and solidify the big man rotation with Kessler and Reed. We could even keep Nance if we wanted or Philly would rather not have him.
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 2:28 am
Posted on 6/21/24 at 6:41 am to Soggymoss
Would Atlanta want Sexton? Seems like a bad fit with Trae. I know the more teams the less likely, but what about Sexton to Orlando for Suggs and stuff which go to Atlanta for Murray with Philly picks?
Also, I feel like the Bulls need more. Sure we think Lavine’s value is garbage, but they don’t and they have to be convinced to let him go to get this whole trim rolling.
Also, I feel like the Bulls need more. Sure we think Lavine’s value is garbage, but they don’t and they have to be convinced to let him go to get this whole trim rolling.
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 6:44 am
Posted on 6/21/24 at 6:44 am to TigerinATL
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Would Atlanta want Sexton? Seems like a bad fit with Trae. I know the more teams the less likely, but what about Sexton to Orlando for Suggs and stuff which go to Atlanta for Murray with Philly picks?
Also, I feel like the Bulls need more. Sure we think Lavine’s value is garbage, but they don’t and they have to be convinced to let him go to get this whole trim rolling.
Sexton and multiple 2nds is a horrible return for Murray. There’s no way ATL would do that.
Suggs is worth more than Sexton. I can see why ATL would want Suggs, but idk why ORL would want to do that.
I think that’s a fair return for Lavine, but I agree that I think the Bulls aren’t just looking for picks, but probably want a player. Making the trade for Giddey whenever they could have gotten 1sts instead for Caruso tells me that they are the same old Bulls and not really looking to do a full rebuild
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 6:50 am
Posted on 6/21/24 at 6:54 am to TigerinATL
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Would Atlanta want Sexton?
I doubt they would, but they could pair him with Okongwu and go get someone they would really want, or as you mentioned chase Suggs which Sexton likely would be able to get them.
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Also, I feel like the Bulls need more. Sure we think Lavine’s value is garbage, but they don’t and they have to be convinced to let him go to get this whole trim rolling.
Yeah, that’s the hardest part is placing a value on Lavine. Maybe another first or two from Utah?
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Sexton and multiple 2nds is a horrible return for Murray. There’s no way ATL would do that.
I see Sexton as having the value of a 1st rounder, Murray has the value of a first and some seconds. I know we think it’s a horrible return, but Hawks couldn’t get anything more than a protected 1st at the deadline even though they were only asking for 2 1sts, and as we seen yesterday fans values are usually way different from team values.
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Making the trade for Giddey whenever they could have gotten 1sts instead for Caruso tells me that they are the same old Bulls and not really looking to do a full rebuild
Meh, Giddey is also still only 21 so even in a rebuild they still have plenty of years with him.
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 7:20 am
Posted on 6/21/24 at 7:16 am to TeddyPadillac
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They traded a guy they picked 6th overall, still on a rookie contract.
For how much longer, though? I don't think keeping Giddey was ever in the plans, and I doubt Caruso costs much more than Giddey's current salary.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 7:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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and I doubt Caruso costs much more than Giddey's current salary.
What
Posted on 6/21/24 at 7:32 am to Soggymoss
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Hawks couldn’t get anything more than a protected 1st at the deadline,
Can you point me to this? I’m legitimately asking because you aren’t the only person to say this and I can’t find it. I know that the Jazz, Knicks, and Lakers all asked about him, but I thought that the ATL wanted to at least get their return back (3 firsts). From what I remember, ATL never felt the need to dump him so only looked for overpays. I don’t recall at all that they were only offered a protected 1st.
But it doesn’t matter, because I think you’re overvaluing Sexton from ATL’s perspective. I can’t imagine they’d want him at all, let alone only getting 2nds with him.
If they want to move Murray and get Suggs, they could just do it without involving us or anyone else. I’ve seen ORL guys suggest a Murray for Suggs/Isaac trade making sense for both teams. That seems more realistic than them getting Sexton and trying to flip him for something else
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Meh, Giddey is also still only 21 so even in a rebuild they still have plenty of years with him.
Yes, but he’s not picks. That was my only point, that they are choosing a player rather than picks. Hence them avoiding going the full rebuild route and opting for a soft rebuild at best
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 7:37 am
Posted on 6/21/24 at 7:37 am to Baron
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Can you point me to this? I know that the Jazz, Knicks, and Lakers all asked about him, but I thought that the ATL wanted to at least get their return back (3 firsts).
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Scotto: With Philadelphia, I don’t think Murray and Tyrese Maxey are an ideal fit. I’ve touched on the Knicks as another team that was in the hunt for Murray. That has cooled off. New York currently feels the asking price for Murray is a bit too high right now. It’s one thing for a first-round pick, the expiring contract of Evan Fournier and Quentin Grimes. That package has been kicked around. But that extra first-round pick Atlanta is looking for hasn’t been something that New York has an appetite to move at this point.
From near the deadline. I believe the Lakers offer also was D’Lo and a protected 1st.
For reference New York ended up trading Fournier and a 1st to Detroit for Bogdonovic, so that should give an indication what teams value of Murray is being along the lines of Bogi.
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 7:51 am
Posted on 6/21/24 at 8:06 am to Fun Bunch
Caruso being paid 10mil this year, while Giddey is being paid 8.4mil
But boy that next contract for both sure will look interesting.
But boy that next contract for both sure will look interesting.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 8:30 am to htran90
OKC was never going to pay Kiddey a second contract so they were smart to trade him now before they bench him at some point this upcoming season. They have so many draft picks and young players that they'll be smart to continue to trade young players that they weren't going to keep with veteran needs like Caruso while they have solid value.
Something we've continually fail to recognize and do in the Griffin's tenure.
Something we've continually fail to recognize and do in the Griffin's tenure.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 8:35 am to Soggymoss
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Jazz: Lavine, #21
Bulls: #16, 2028 1st from Philly
Hawks: Sexton, 2-4 2nds from Philly
Philly: Ingram, Nance
Pels: Murray, Kessler, Reed, #10
Jazz: Lavine, #21
Bulls: Collins/ Sexton/ Reed
Hawks: Nance/ 76ers 1sts/ Bulls 1st
Philly: Ingram
Pels: Murray/ Kessler
We just need a team to dump Capella.
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 8:38 am
Posted on 6/21/24 at 8:36 am to Dantheman504
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Jazz: Lavine, #21
Bulls: Collins/ Sexton/ 76ers 1sts
Hawks: Reed/ Nance/ 76ers 1sts
Philly: Ingram
Pels: Murray/ Kessler
When did the last 5 team trade ever happen?
Posted on 6/21/24 at 8:43 am to Soggymoss
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For reference New York ended up trading Fournier and a 1st to Detroit for Bogdonovic, so that should give an indication what teams value of Murray is being along the lines of Bogi.
Bogi and Burks got traded for Grimes, Fournier, fillers, and 2 seconds. I don’t see how that trade is related to Murray’s value
ATL wanted two firsts, young player with potential.
The Knicks didn’t want to include the other 1st. From what I remember, the Lakers were okay with the 1sts, but unwilling to include the young player (Reaves).
So the baseline for Murray is still somewhere around 2 1sts or a 1st and a young player. That’s if they choose to move him and if his value hasn’t changed since the deadline.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 8:44 am to 50_Tiger
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When did the last 5 team trade ever happen?
It's pretty rare and I think more teams are needed to get everyone what they want. So you are right, but it also isn't unprecedented. Never forget the crazy deadline trade in 2015 where half the league swapped PGs.
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Goran Dragic wanted a new home, and the Miami Heat wanted a new point guard.
They were a perfect match in a move that was among the biggest on the busiest NBA trade deadline day in 25 years in which 39 players changed hands.
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That's how the Pels got Contract Year Norris Cole. I don't think the 39 players were all in that one trade, but that one trade included like 9 teams IIRC.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 8:45 am to TigerinATL
If theres ever a year to have some ridiculous 4,5,6 team trade I feel like it would be this one.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 9:01 am to Baron
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Bogi and Burks got traded for Grimes, Fournier, fillers, and 2 seconds.
Can’t find what article i had looked up for that but they said it was a 1st rounder… Doh
Posted on 6/21/24 at 9:52 am to TigerinATL
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Sexton to Orlando for Suggs and stuff
I don't think Sexton is worth Suggs and stuff, IMO. Suggs has more value.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 10:07 am to 50_Tiger
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When did the last 5 team trade ever happen?
5 teams is a bit much, but it happened somewhat recently with Westbrook going to Lakers. Wiz, Nets, Pacers and Spurs were all involved.
The Jrue trade was 4 teams with Pels, Bucks, OKC, Nuggets.
It's not that difficult to make happen in the offseason. 2-3 teams are really doing the bulk of the trading, while the others are just helping facilitate by gaining some asset to help the main teams make space or something similar.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 10:30 am to TeddyPadillac
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NEWS: Malik Monk and the Sacramento Kings have agreed to a new deal worth $78 million over four years, league sources tell @anthonyVslater .
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