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re: NBA Offseason officially kicks off, Ingram’s days in NOLA coming to an end per Stein
Posted on 6/21/24 at 12:18 pm to Dantheman504
Posted on 6/21/24 at 12:18 pm to Dantheman504
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If we were willing to trade Dyson then it would have been done aswell.
Dude they want Herb. Not exactly sure Dyson would hold up this trade. If we’re not even including Dyson in trades now- its going to be really difficult to pull off any deals.
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Posted on 6/21/24 at 12:24 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Dude they want Herb. Not exactly sure Dyson would hold up this trade. If we’re not even including Dyson in trades now- its going to be really difficult to pull off any deals.
Dude. One of the worst defensive teams in the NBA wants defensive players. Preferably an Elite defensive player. You aren't sure why that would hold it up because you STILL can't process Dyson's value.
The fact that you wrote that out after the convo a few days ago just shows how brain dead you are.
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 6/21/24 at 12:28 pm to Dantheman504
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Dude. One of the worst defensive teams in the NBA wants defensive players. Preferably an Elite defensive player. You aren't sure why that would hold it up because you STILL can't process Dyson's value. The fact that you wrote that out after the convo a few days ago just shows how brain dead you are.
You’re assuming all this. Theres no reports of us not including Dyson holding up trades. This is stuff you’re making up in your head. It was actively reported they wanted Herb and we did not want to include him.
The convo we had few days ago was just you getting pissed at people having differing opinions than you on Dyson.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 12:31 pm to Pels_Yaz
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You’re assuming all this
The only reason I responded is because you are assuming they only want Herb and assume that if they wanted Dyson it would have already been done. Lol
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 6/21/24 at 12:33 pm to Dantheman504
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assume that if they wanted Dyson it would have already been done. Lol
There have been no reports that us not including Dyson is holding up trades with the Hawks.
You’re automatically valuing Dyson on the same level as Herb. Dyson could not even get minutes in the playoffs. I get you like his potential but he is currently not on the same level as Herb.
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 6/21/24 at 12:34 pm to Pels_Yaz
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The convo we had few days ago was just you getting pissed at people having differing opinions than you on Dyson
You just said Dyson shouldn't hold up a BI for Murray trade.
Most people value BI/ Murray as equal and would NOT add Dyson for free.
The fact that YOU would and find it hard to believe the team wouldn't proves everything from a few days ago.
Holy shite..
Posted on 6/21/24 at 12:37 pm to Dantheman504
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Most people value BI/ Murray as equal and would NOT add Dyson for free. The fact that YOU would and find it hard to believe the team wouldn't proves everything from a few days ago. Holy shite..
Holy shite..
You assume a lot instead of actually reading what people post. I never said I would add Dyson for free- again you assuming I meant this. You need learn to read man.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 12:43 pm to Pels_Yaz
So why would the Hawks want Herb and not want Dyson?
And why do you think Dyson shouldn't hold up a Murray/ BI trade?
And why do you think Dyson shouldn't hold up a Murray/ BI trade?
Posted on 6/21/24 at 12:50 pm to Dantheman504
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So why would the Hawks want Herb and not want Dyson?
Herb is a 1st team all defense player. Shot 42 percent from 3 and is just a better player than Dyson currently. Plus hes on a great deal. His value is higher than Dyson.
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And why do you think Dyson shouldn't hold up a Murray/ BI trade?
I think Dyson has potential but we currently have a similar if not better player like Herb on the roster who will help us win now. If the goal is to win now with Zion, trading Dyson makes sense and as long as value is fair- it should not hold up a BI/Murray trade.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 12:54 pm to Dantheman504
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And why do you think Dyson shouldn't hold up a Murray/ BI trade?
A Murray/BI trade cannot happen straight up, Atlanta cannot take that salary back.
It would have to be Murray/Okongwu for BI/Dyson or Murray with one of Capella/Hunter/Bogi for BI/Nance.
We have a gluttony of young bench wings, it makes sense to trade one of those wings to upgrade another area.
Lets say we do end up sending 21 and 2 other picks for Clingan, I wouldn’t mind the BI/Dyson for Murray/Okongwu swap one bit, Okongwu and Clingan lock down your 5 spot for the next 4 years at a minimum, and we get a starting PG, while still having CJ and Namce’s salaries to deal
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 6/21/24 at 1:00 pm to Soggymoss
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We have a gluttony of young bench wings
What are y'all talking about???
We are trading BI and CJ won't be here forever.
We legit have
Herb/ Hawk
Trey/ Dyson
And the goal is to keep and grow all 4... We hope Hawk and Dyson mature into Herb/ Trey 2.0. You use BI, CJ, and picks to get a PG/ C.
What "gluttony of youmg bench wings" do we have? We would literally have Dyson and if we trade him then 0 bench wings lol. Herb/ Trey will start....
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 6/21/24 at 1:02 pm to Dantheman504
I swear y'all come at me with the dumbest fricking points.
"We have tons of bench wings even though 2/4 will be starters and 1/4 will be traded"
"Not sure why the bad defensive team wants a defensive player"
"We have tons of bench wings even though 2/4 will be starters and 1/4 will be traded"
"Not sure why the bad defensive team wants a defensive player"
Posted on 6/21/24 at 1:03 pm to Dantheman504
Seems like there’s some Lavine to Sacramento smoke. One less team for BI to go to.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 1:03 pm to Dantheman504
We also have Naji we can bring back and I hope we do, as well as Matt. We could likely snag AJ Griffin from Atlanta in the deal also if we press for him. Say the deal lands BI/Dyson/EJ for Murray/Okongwu/Griffin here’s your roster:
Murray/CJ/Jose
Herb/Hawk/Matt
Trey/Naji/Griffin
Zion/Nance
Clingan/Okongwu
Say we give Naji a 4/32 with first year salary at 7 million, after signing him and Clingan we have 5 million under the tax to sign the final two minimum contracts, which is VERY easy to do, while being a deeper better team
Murray/CJ/Jose
Herb/Hawk/Matt
Trey/Naji/Griffin
Zion/Nance
Clingan/Okongwu
Say we give Naji a 4/32 with first year salary at 7 million, after signing him and Clingan we have 5 million under the tax to sign the final two minimum contracts, which is VERY easy to do, while being a deeper better team
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 6/21/24 at 1:04 pm to Dantheman504
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What "gluttony of youmg bench wings" do we have? We would literally have Dyson and if we trade him then 0 bench wings lol. Herb/ Trey will start....
You’re getting Dejounte back. Still have CJ, Hawk, Herb and Trey. You can resign Naji. Still have Jose. I think we’ll be fine.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 1:06 pm to Pels_Yaz
If we trade three picks for some white dude named after a star trek thing, I'm going to be super pissed.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 1:08 pm to ghost2most
Yeah maybe clingan will be good but I just can’t see him being a guy you close with at the end of games. Willie Green would rather play Larry
Posted on 6/21/24 at 1:16 pm to Soggymoss
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It would have to be Murray/Okongwu for BI/Dyson or Murray with one of Capella/Hunter/Bogi for BI/Nance.
If Trae is off the table, we really need to focus on a Murray/CC - BI/Nance trade. That way we keep Hawk/DD and see how much they grow, have our starters set, and have the 6th man of year in CJ.We can see how the young guys progress and then make use of his salary for a long term center at the trade deadline or next offseason. Hopefully we keep our pick this year to draft a center to develop. Sign a cheap vet to backup 4/5 spot.
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 6/21/24 at 1:16 pm to Pels_Yaz
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What "gluttony of youmg bench wings" do we have? We would literally have Dyson and if we trade him then 0 bench wings lol. Herb/ Trey will start....
You’re getting Dejounte back. Still have CJ, Hawk, Herb and Trey. You can resign Naji. Still have Jose. I think we’ll be fine.
Here is the problem:
1. CJ/ Hawk/ Jose are NOT young bench wings at all.
2. Naji doesn't exist in this argument, he's a free agent.
3. Trey/ Herb are NOT bench wings....
4. Dyson is the ONLY bench wing on our roster.
5. This is excluding BI.
6. So trading BI/ Dyson (2 wing players) and promoting Herb/ Trey (2 wing players) = 0 young bench wing..
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 6/21/24 at 1:24 pm to Townedrunkard
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If Trae is off the table, we really need to focus on a Murray/CC - BI/Nance trade. That way we keep Hawk/DD and see how much they grow, have our starters set, and have the 6th man of year in CJ.We can see how the young guys progress and then make use of his salary for a long term center at the trade deadline or next offseason.,
I wouldn’t give up Hawk, I see him as a future 6th man of the year contender. Dyson I would trade in a heartbeat, but I want Okongwu back. I’m tired of looking for a new 5 every season, as I’m sure Zion is tired of it also. It’s time to get a young good one and lock that spot down. I don’t ever see Dyson being a main bench piece, he will always be a 7th-8th man IMO, and if he becomes anything more than that then we need to trade him anyway as we wouldn’t have room for him. Might as well move him now and lock down the 5 spot with the starter for the next 4 years at a minimum. I wouldn’t even be opposed to looping Utah into the deal and getting Kessler if possible and if Atlanta doesn’t want to send Okongwu. something like:
Utah: Dyson, Capella
Pels: Murray, Kessler, AJ
Hawks: BI
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 1:26 pm
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