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re: KOC: the Pelicans are “desperate” to sign Kyle Lowry, “terrified” of Zion situation
Posted on 7/23/21 at 7:31 pm to Bonkers119
Posted on 7/23/21 at 7:31 pm to Bonkers119
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Why not just make the Raptors an offer they can't refuse?
For a 35-36 year old pg? Are y’all freaking crazy. Did y’all not just see what happened to JJ this year?
And I’m tired of us being the only option for that player ‘only if’ we massively overpay for that player to come here. Screw that. It never worked before, it’s not gonna work now. That’s not how you succeed as a franchise. Same goes for trading players. I’ll gamble on Sexton b/c he’d be coming g from one of the few franchises that are viewed worse than ours….
This post was edited on 7/23/21 at 7:37 pm
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Posted on 7/23/21 at 7:41 pm to Townedrunkard
I'll be honest, I like the idea of Lowry, but only for the right price, and after my first 3 options are exhausted (SGA, Dame, Beal)
Sexton would be right after Lowry if we get him for a 3/65-70, any higher then I'd rather go after Sexton.
Sexton would be right after Lowry if we get him for a 3/65-70, any higher then I'd rather go after Sexton.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 7:43 pm to Fun Bunch
We are replacing Eric Freaking Bledsoe with Kyle Lowry and there's legitimate doubt that this will make us a better team and enable us to close out games better?
Posted on 7/23/21 at 7:44 pm to WB504
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We gonna give this dude a 3-4 yr deal. Ughhhh
We literally cannot give him a 4 year deal due to the over 38 rule.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 7:45 pm to Townedrunkard
We're going to have to overpay regardless of what big name we go after. We aren't a premier destination and probably won't be for a long time. It's fine if you're concerned about his age but landing an ideal guy at an ideal stage of their career is always going to be extremely costly for a team like the Pelicans.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 7:49 pm to GOP_Tiger
One player of Lowry’s caliber doesn’t make that much of a difference. Maybe we win an extra few.
He misses a lot of games. A lot. He’s 36. He’s a good player. But he’s not THAT good.
I’d like to have him. But I wouldn’t give him more than 2 years and I wouldn’t give up much besides salary to get him.
He misses a lot of games. A lot. He’s 36. He’s a good player. But he’s not THAT good.
I’d like to have him. But I wouldn’t give him more than 2 years and I wouldn’t give up much besides salary to get him.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 8:20 pm to Fun Bunch
Organizations make mistakes when they are put into positions to rush roster construction instead of letting it happen organically.
This doesn't matter to superstars because they've all become mercenaries and will just force their way to a situation that they think is best for them.
This doesn't matter to superstars because they've all become mercenaries and will just force their way to a situation that they think is best for them.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 8:27 pm to 504Voodoo
I don't think we're rushing anything. Griffin accumulated picks in order to spend them on someone significant to upgrade the roster. By all accounts, he tried very hard to do just that back at the trade deadline, so I think most of us knew that a big move was happening this offseason at the guard position.
Whether it ends up being Lillard, Simmons, Sexton, Lowry, or someone else who we aren't talking about yet, it's been clear for a while that some kind of significant deal was going to get done.
I absolutely do not believe that we are making a significant move for a guard because of Zion's feelings.
Whether it ends up being Lillard, Simmons, Sexton, Lowry, or someone else who we aren't talking about yet, it's been clear for a while that some kind of significant deal was going to get done.
I absolutely do not believe that we are making a significant move for a guard because of Zion's feelings.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 9:28 pm to shel311
Devil’s advocate.
I think you are right on the surface, but 2 of the few close games we actually won were against Kyle Lowry and the Raptors. I remember he played in at least one of those games.
We do need a guard, but I think we need to trade for someone on the timeline like Sexton, or maybe a couple years older like Lavine.
What they lack in defense and K Low level leadership, I feel like they make up for in shotmaking and upside. So we would be improved in different, possibly more sustainable ways than a Kyle Lowry led stopgap improvement.
Zion and his family just need to relax. I get their frustrations to an extent. It has been a choppy 2 years, but it hasn’t been all bad. The injury sucked. Covid sucked. Some of the personnel decisions haven’t been great. But the guy has to remember how excited the city/org was to draft him and realize not everything is going to be storybook all of the time.
If they can’t take a little bit of turmoil, that doesn’t look good in the future if and when our franchise faces real adversity vs the normal adversity career arc of a young team and star’s growing pains.
Personally, if I’m the GM, I’m not making any hasty desperate decisions to try and appease a 21 year old and his family. I’m making measured decisions to try and improve the team over the long haul. Acquiring Kyle Lowry doesn’t do that. It’s one of, if not, the most shortsighted moves we can make this offseason.
I think you are right on the surface, but 2 of the few close games we actually won were against Kyle Lowry and the Raptors. I remember he played in at least one of those games.
We do need a guard, but I think we need to trade for someone on the timeline like Sexton, or maybe a couple years older like Lavine.
What they lack in defense and K Low level leadership, I feel like they make up for in shotmaking and upside. So we would be improved in different, possibly more sustainable ways than a Kyle Lowry led stopgap improvement.
Zion and his family just need to relax. I get their frustrations to an extent. It has been a choppy 2 years, but it hasn’t been all bad. The injury sucked. Covid sucked. Some of the personnel decisions haven’t been great. But the guy has to remember how excited the city/org was to draft him and realize not everything is going to be storybook all of the time.
If they can’t take a little bit of turmoil, that doesn’t look good in the future if and when our franchise faces real adversity vs the normal adversity career arc of a young team and star’s growing pains.
Personally, if I’m the GM, I’m not making any hasty desperate decisions to try and appease a 21 year old and his family. I’m making measured decisions to try and improve the team over the long haul. Acquiring Kyle Lowry doesn’t do that. It’s one of, if not, the most shortsighted moves we can make this offseason.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 9:31 pm to Fun Bunch
This is a shite story full of speculation. We need to put together a kick arse season to shut these frickers up.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 9:32 pm to Lester Earl
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They should be both
David vanterpool was going to quiet the zion family?
You act like vanterpool is this huge upgrade over willie green.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 10:23 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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Zion and his family just need to relax. I get their frustrations to an extent. It has been a choppy 2 years, but it hasn’t been all bad. The injury sucked. Covid sucked. Some of the personnel decisions haven’t been great. But the guy has to remember how excited the city/org was to draft him and realize not everything is going to be storybook all of the time.
At some point there has to be some of this. If they can’t handle 2 years of no contention after having the number 1 overall pick then Jesus Christ. When do you realize at some point you’re just rushing things just to rush them. And if you fell that way still after possibly making the playoffs, then you were never gonna be happy here in the first place.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 10:47 pm to Fun Bunch
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David Griffin is “desperate” to sign Kyle Lowry, “terrified” of losing his job
Posted on 7/23/21 at 11:29 pm to Fun Bunch
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This says more about Zion than us in my opinion.
Yes, that his desire to win is greater than ours…and this franchises history.
100% agree he is here to raise the bar here.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 11:33 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
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Yes, that his desire to win is greater than ours…and this franchises history.
I get that too. But bro you’re 21. NO ONE wins that young. You just don’t. Even the super teams are generally 3rd contract + veterans grouping up. The added pressure is needed, but, at some point you’re going to more damage than good forcing sped up timelines.
We have enough assets at this point to swing a miss probably once or twice big. So thankfully we have some bigger left. But that’s all we got in our bag to get big time players here.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 11:53 pm to shel311
quote:If we are going to spend a ton of money and/or assets on a 36 year old player, he better be pretty damned close to CP3.
If we're waiting for a guy to be as good as CP3 before making a move, that's a bad idea.
Posted on 7/24/21 at 12:59 am to shel311
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Do you have a better realistic option to improve the team this offseason?
There are hundreds of possibilities that seem like smarter long-term options than giving up assets in a S&T for Lowry.
Posted on 7/24/21 at 4:05 am to Fun Bunch
Pels are good. BI and Zion have to play to their talent level. Win majority of their games and help will follow.
Posted on 7/24/21 at 8:55 am to Fun Bunch
Gotta catch lightning in a bottle in new orleans. Nola (or any other small market team really) just can’t keep NBA stars from moving to California, New York. Too much money, fame, cars, clothes, and white gurls. And probably get a superteam chip so you can pretend you’re a legit alpha champion that did it the hard way.
I love the pelicans, but this is the culture of the modern nba of the last 17 years.
I love the pelicans, but this is the culture of the modern nba of the last 17 years.
This post was edited on 7/24/21 at 8:56 am
Posted on 7/24/21 at 9:15 am to RUFshreve
quote:I'd bet pretty much every one of those involve a trade that takes at least 1 other team to agree to that may not come to fruition.
There are hundreds of possibilities that seem like smarter long-term options
We may try for Dame or whoever else, but in the end, Lowry may be the best player we can realistically add, and even that may not be realistic if he has no desire to come here.
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