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re: Jarrett Allen agrees to extension, take him off Pels trade options
Posted on 7/31/24 at 6:34 pm to Balsamic_duck
Posted on 7/31/24 at 6:34 pm to Balsamic_duck
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He knows he can win 40-45 games with this squad
You add DJ to the roster, additionally Herb, Tre, Jose are now solid vets, you have all star level players in BI, CJ, and Zion, your front court is at worst a wash from last year, all your rotation save Theis and CJ are well under 30, while the team won 49 games last year and you believe they’re a 40-45 win team?
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Posted on 7/31/24 at 7:03 pm to Pistol44
I think we will be better defensively overall with this group. Much more switchable and athletic albeit undersized. We may not be strong on the boards but I expect better hustle, speed, and much better catch and finish with this group.
OKC was bad on the glass this past year and it didn't hurt them too much. We'll just have to find our niche with the grouping of bigs. If they can be neutral on the glass on most night we will be fine.
OKC was bad on the glass this past year and it didn't hurt them too much. We'll just have to find our niche with the grouping of bigs. If they can be neutral on the glass on most night we will be fine.
This post was edited on 7/31/24 at 7:05 pm
Posted on 7/31/24 at 7:04 pm to Pistol44
The only way that this team wins fewer games than last season is if Zion gets injured for much of the season.
In every other way, this year's squad should be far superior.
In every other way, this year's squad should be far superior.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 7:39 pm to Pistol44
We lost Nance, Dyson, Naji, and Jonas who all helped us win many games when Ingram or Zion were sitting out with boo boos. Jonas especially. Dude would straight up carry us against shite tier and mid tier teams. We are cooked unless Zion and Ingram are actually healthy all season, which would be the 1st time in 6 years that situation actually plays out. Hope isn’t a strategy. And as currently constructed, hope looks to be Griffin’s main strategy heading into the season.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 7:51 pm to BallHawk
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Kessler and Collins for Ingram is really the only deal left that could be potentially had IMO
Kessler/ Collins
Turner/ Nesmith
Ayton
Issac/ WCJ
This post was edited on 7/31/24 at 7:56 pm
Posted on 7/31/24 at 7:58 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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We lost Nance, Dyson, Naji, and Jonas who all helped us win many games when Ingram or Zion were sitting out with boo boos. Jonas especially. Dude would straight up carry us against shite tier and mid tier teams. We are cooked unless Zion and Ingram are actually healthy all season, which would be the 1st time in 6 years that situation actually plays out. Hope isn’t a strategy. And as currently constructed, hope looks to be Griffin’s main strategy heading into the season
Now we have Murray to carry us when either of them is dinged.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 7:58 pm to GOP_Tiger
I disagree. ATL said it best earlier in this thread, we are going with Ajinca/Steimsma level center. We will have players at that level playing 30 min per game. I don’t know how many people here were around for those years but it really limited those teams.
I would really like someone to point me to a team recently that won 50+ games with three fringe nba players manning a position for 30 min a game. It just doesn’t happen. That is why I feel Kessler and Collins are difference makers for this roster. They are actual real NBA players. One has been a league leader in rim protection and the other has been a 20ppg guy. That is a huge difference from what we currently have.
I would really like someone to point me to a team recently that won 50+ games with three fringe nba players manning a position for 30 min a game. It just doesn’t happen. That is why I feel Kessler and Collins are difference makers for this roster. They are actual real NBA players. One has been a league leader in rim protection and the other has been a 20ppg guy. That is a huge difference from what we currently have.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 8:07 pm to ThePistol
Theis is not a fringe NBA player. He's an above-average defender at the center position who doesn't have high offensive value. He's not a good roll man, nor is he effective in the post. But we don't need those skills. What Theis does do well is shoot open 3s, and that's exactly what we need him to do, because that's going to open up the paint for Zion. Theis is the perfect fit for our starting lineup.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 8:28 pm to LSUPilot07
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Not giving a center a max that isn’t top 3 at his position.
It’s not a max deal, it’s just the max that the CBA would allow him to be paid via extension because if his current contract.
Much like Herb got max money last year, but it was just the max we could pay him, not actually a max deal
Posted on 7/31/24 at 8:43 pm to Soggymoss
There are 49 players making $30+ million this season. The Pelicans have four of them on their roster.
When this contract kicks in 3 seasons from now. The cavs will have $165 million locked up in four players.
When this contract kicks in 3 seasons from now. The cavs will have $165 million locked up in four players.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 9:58 pm to Colonel Flagg
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When this contract kicks in 3 seasons from now. The cavs will have $165 million locked up in four players.
When his contract kicks in it will be roughly 17% of the cap, which is a slight raise over his current value (he makes 14% of the cap this season). Not necessarily directed at you, but at people saying that they feel like it’s a big contract for him.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 10:44 pm to GOP_Tiger
Theis is 6’8”, a below average rebounder, and shot 1.2 3’s a game last season. He has only attempted 3.0 3’s a game once in his career and he hit 29.1% that season. He is a career 33.1% 3 point shooter on 1.5 attempts per game. He fell out of the Clippers rotation last season. He played all of 4 minutes in the first round series against the Mavs. He had no other offers and was planning to head back to Europe before the Pels called.
I think that Theiss was a good signing for us. I think he could be a backup/change of pace guy playing 10 min a game, especially with Z because he doesn’t have to occupy the paint. However, he is the definition of a fringe NBA guy and to go into a season planning on him being a starter playing 20+ min a game is a recipe for disaster.
I think that Theiss was a good signing for us. I think he could be a backup/change of pace guy playing 10 min a game, especially with Z because he doesn’t have to occupy the paint. However, he is the definition of a fringe NBA guy and to go into a season planning on him being a starter playing 20+ min a game is a recipe for disaster.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 10:46 pm to 50_Tiger
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I dont think Kessler/Collins does anything to move the needle.
Neither one will make the difference of like Ingram and CJ playing against teams 2nd units.
That’s where I’d put them and let them feast.
And this is the exact reason why I wanted to draft Edey if he flipped. Had the size and was polished as you could ask for a college player. But no one saw him going that high. Guess he’s the reason we got the Grizz center they waived so.
This post was edited on 7/31/24 at 10:51 pm
Posted on 7/31/24 at 11:00 pm to TigerinATL
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I feel like the criticism of Griff in this thread is just wrong. Not that he doesn't deserve blame, but y'all are asking why he didn't do better and not considering the options he had. Like with Lonzo, he screwed himself by waiting too long to make a move that a lot of people saw coming
You are right, but even Chicago gave him an out. Lauri was offered up twice and he refused. And just to remind everyone, I made two threads at the time saying it was a mistake to pass on that trade. Pretty ironic everyone wants him now for some reason lol.
He basically ended up losing Ball for nothing and that’s what will end up happening with Ingram. He will be winning and he won’t trade him at the deadline. I see a sign and trade next season for scraps. Hope I’m wrong.
This post was edited on 7/31/24 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 8/1/24 at 4:58 am to Townedrunkard
I believe Trey and Jonas would have not been on team due to a Lonzo/Lauri trade.
Posted on 8/1/24 at 7:37 am to BallHawk
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Kessler and Collins for Ingram is really the only deal left that could be potentially had IMO
It would be a risk, but the Blazers are rumored to be likely to move either Simons and/or Grant this offseason. Something like Simons/Timelord/pick(s) for BI and one of our minimums works. Simons could be a really good option off of the bench, and Timelord is very good defensively when healthy (so never). Long term Simons could take over CJs role as a combo guard, but could do so as a sixth man.
Posted on 8/1/24 at 7:53 am to LSUPilot07
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Not giving a center a max that isn’t top 3 at his position.
It's not a max. Just the maximum Allen could have gotten from an extensions this year.
This deal is only around 16% of the cap per year which is pretty fricking good.
BI is asking for 30% of the cap
Posted on 8/1/24 at 8:49 am to Colonel Flagg
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I believe Trey and Jonas would have not been on team due to a Lonzo/Lauri trade.
How you figure that?
Posted on 8/1/24 at 10:08 am to Townedrunkard
I think once again, Griff has built a roster with talent but it's so off balance it won't work.
As of today, believe:
- The top 6 players on the team is better
- The overall roster is weaker
Zion, DJ, Herb, Trey, Ingram, CJ is a lot of talent.
But the frontcourt is a joke. We have no C and no PF depth at all.
Theis is should be in the Hernangomez role not a starter. Karlo has upside but he's not ready. Missi doesn't look like he can contribute for years, if ever. Jemison will log heavy minutes and again, would be a fine third big, but he's going to get more minutes out of necessity.
Meanwhile, you have a cluster frick logjam of minutes and BI still mucking up things.
I would absolutely deal BI for Kessler and Collins.
Addition by subtraction first of all getting rid of the distraction and balancing out the roster.
This team as currently constructed is going to get out rebounded so bad it hurts.
If Zion stays healthy I could see 50 wins. But if he misses any time, this is a 35-40 win team without any rim protection/rebounding.
As of today, believe:
- The top 6 players on the team is better
- The overall roster is weaker
Zion, DJ, Herb, Trey, Ingram, CJ is a lot of talent.
But the frontcourt is a joke. We have no C and no PF depth at all.
Theis is should be in the Hernangomez role not a starter. Karlo has upside but he's not ready. Missi doesn't look like he can contribute for years, if ever. Jemison will log heavy minutes and again, would be a fine third big, but he's going to get more minutes out of necessity.
Meanwhile, you have a cluster frick logjam of minutes and BI still mucking up things.
I would absolutely deal BI for Kessler and Collins.
Addition by subtraction first of all getting rid of the distraction and balancing out the roster.
This team as currently constructed is going to get out rebounded so bad it hurts.
If Zion stays healthy I could see 50 wins. But if he misses any time, this is a 35-40 win team without any rim protection/rebounding.
Posted on 8/1/24 at 10:14 am to ghost2most
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first of all getting rid of the distraction
I'm getting so sick of the ingram disrespect. He's a great player that was miscast last year because we didn't have a real pg. I really think there's a good shot Murray unlocks Ingram. As long as Z continues this skinny guy world tour I like the makeup of this team, even with the lack of front court depth.
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