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re: Ingram: More subliminal messaging? Time to make a trade Griff.
Posted on 9/12/24 at 9:25 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 9/12/24 at 9:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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Letting a top 30-40 player walk for nothing just seems extremely suboptimal.
Has nothing to do with this situation.
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severe overreaction to the 2nd apron
Again, has nothing to do with this situation. High level small forwards like Tatum, George, Anunoby, Bridges, Barnes, and Wagner all signed massive contracts under the same CBA rules.
Brandon Ingram's lack of trade or contract market is an appropriate reaction by NBA teams to the terrible contracts given to players who are neither stars nor elite role players. Jordan Poole and Julius Randle have had a much bigger impact on Brandon Ingram's market than the 2nd apron.
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Posted on 9/12/24 at 9:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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Letting a top 30-40 player walk for nothing just seems extremely suboptimal.
I understand the market is in a severe overreaction to the 2nd apron and it hasn't gotten to a rational homeostasis point following the reverberations from the 2nd apron, and we're in a time crunch that likely means we won't get fully optimal options due to this severe overreaction, but that just seems like an even more inefficient solution.
Indubitably.
I believe BI's melancholy demeanor is not homogenous to our current roster construction.
The issue being that many question the aptness of BI. David Griffin has not been an adroit leader in regards to this plight.
My hope is that we either find a suitor anon or the incorporation of Murray will quell the current state of affairs.
Posted on 9/12/24 at 9:37 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:It obviously is suboptimal, but we're at that point where it is on the table.
Letting a top 30-40 player walk for nothing just seems extremely suboptimal.
I think letting him walk for nothing would be better than signing him to any realistic extension we can. We already are paying Murray and Zion and Trey coming up. We are not a team that can be pay dudes over $25mil or whatever that number is, I just don't see it. So BI is the odd man out.
We should still try our very best to trade him from right now and never stop up to the deadline, and generally speaking or realistically speaking, we should probably take just about any deal we can at this point. But if it doesn't happen by the deadline, the best play at that point becomes to just let him walk.
Posted on 9/12/24 at 10:06 am to Townedrunkard
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A lot of these players are not very bright and have cost themselves tens of millions of dollars due to ego and greed.
An expression I always hated was a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.
Well no, that is not true. A bird in the hand is a sure thing. You know the value. Those 2 in the bush? How often are you likely to even catch one? Both? More often you are going to lose out on both of them, and even if you do manage to catch one, you are just breaking even. Those thinking they can get both are taking a huge risk that rarely pays off.
People always looks at players that take the sure money and expose how the team got a steal. We'll no, not really because we rarely talk about the ones that regress, get hurt, etc. We only talk about the ones that outperform, which are far fewer. Sure you can come put ahead by betting on yourself.
Maybe a guy like Herb should have done that. Or maybe Herb is "benched" with a different starting 5 and his value drops somewhat. Maybe some player gets seriously hurt and may never be the same. Maybe you are like BI and you don't improve your play, get hurt at a bad time, and look bad while not fitting in with the Olympic team.
All this shite falls under shite happens. And shite happens more often than not. Take the fricking money while you can like Herb did. Don't be a BI.
Posted on 9/12/24 at 10:08 am to shel311
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Letting a top 30-40 player walk for nothing just seems extremely suboptimal.
It obviously is suboptimal, but we're at that point where it is on the table.
The elephant in the room:
- We can only keep (1) of BI/ CJ or neither.
Our core is Zion/ Murray/ Trey/ Herb and we need a center.
The obvious question is who would be best for our team with current roster construction in 2 years?
1. BI
2. CJ
3. Cap space
In a perfect world I'd say trade CJ and let BI play SG while whooping 3's. But we haven't seen enough to make that call. The only way to find this out is to see what BI we get at the beginning of the season.
We will not go over the cap to still have BI/ Trey/ CJ next year.
Posted on 9/12/24 at 10:28 am to Dantheman504
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The obvious question is who would be best for our team with current roster construction in 2 years?
1. BI
2. CJ
3. Cap space
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CJ will be almost unplayable in 2 years due to defense. No thanks on BI
Posted on 9/12/24 at 10:38 am to Dantheman504
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3. Cap space
You mean space under the tax?
I don't think we will be under the cap anytime soon with Zion, Murray, Trey, etc moving forward
Posted on 9/12/24 at 1:21 pm to Ijuschill1
Ready for Ingram to be gone. The thought of this bum eating up any Herb/TM3 minutes makes me want to vomit at this point. Doubly so now that Murray is here to run the offense if Z misses a little time.
Posted on 9/12/24 at 2:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You mean space under the tax?
Yes, I meant under the tax.
Essentially BI is the superior player > CJ if they played the same role. (If BI played like we need him to).
BI playing SG like we want is the best option out of the 3 going forward.
The problem is that we can't know for sure if he will end up doing that so its a massive gamble.
This is one of the reasons to wait on the deal. If BI shoots 3's then we sign him and trade CJ. If BI goes back to the same habits then we cut our losses. That seems like most likely scenario unless the right deal reveals itself.
Posted on 9/12/24 at 5:01 pm to Dantheman504
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BI playing SG like we want is the best option out of the 3 going forward.
Ingram is too slow to be an effective SG. He's actually better playing as a big. As a 4 or even as a 5, in small ball line-ups. I'd actually be intrigued if he could add some bulk to play more of that role. If he stays, I think that's how we play him quite a bit. Zion might have the weight, but Ingram has that 7'3 wingspan..
Posted on 9/13/24 at 9:40 am to shel311
What do I think about BI? Well, at this point, I would rather have Dyson Daniels back on this team...and BI gone. JMO...
Posted on 9/13/24 at 12:36 pm to Ijuschill1
We’re talking about an Ingram trade in here? Baws, it ain’t gonna happen. Not until the season gets well under way at least.
Our best bet is Ingram starts out gangbusters and a team that thinks they’re a player away from a title comes calling
Our best bet is Ingram starts out gangbusters and a team that thinks they’re a player away from a title comes calling
Posted on 9/13/24 at 12:42 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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Our best bet is Ingram starts out gangbusters and a team that thinks they’re a player away from a title comes calling
No one is going to trade for ingram at this point.
He's too much of an unknown with his health, his play is too inconsistent in big games, and Griff will not take pennies on the dollar, and will most likely let him walk in the offseason. I highly doubt he gets traded at the deadline.
He will sign to whoever will pay him the most and that's it. He won't care where.
Posted on 9/13/24 at 2:06 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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Our best bet is Ingram starts out gangbusters and a team that thinks they’re a player away from a title comes calling
We'd be retarded to trade him if he is playing like he is playing in a contract year.
It'd mean we're winning.
Posted on 9/13/24 at 8:38 pm to Broski
It's David Griffin you are talking about.
Posted on 9/13/24 at 9:10 pm to whatiknowsofar
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He will sign to whoever will pay him the most and that's it. He won't care where.
Been saying for weeks, get prepared, he will sign with the Nets or it will be a Lonzo ball type shite sandwich sign and trade deal for nothing.
Add it to the pile of Griff frickups through the years…
This post was edited on 9/13/24 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 9/14/24 at 4:06 am to Townedrunkard
Griff missed his opportunities to trade CJ to Philly or Orlando.
Now the choice is not CJ or Brandon but cap space. Brandon goes to Detroit as an free agent. Detroit is not a contender and can wait to sign Ingram without giving up assets needed to rebuild.
The problem with trading CJ or Brandon at this point is the CBA requires a salary match for most cases. The Pels would have to take back multiple players in a trade involving Brandon or CJ which will create tax hell for the Pels.
Now the choice is not CJ or Brandon but cap space. Brandon goes to Detroit as an free agent. Detroit is not a contender and can wait to sign Ingram without giving up assets needed to rebuild.
The problem with trading CJ or Brandon at this point is the CBA requires a salary match for most cases. The Pels would have to take back multiple players in a trade involving Brandon or CJ which will create tax hell for the Pels.
This post was edited on 9/14/24 at 4:29 am
Posted on 9/14/24 at 2:05 pm to Broski
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We'd be retarded to trade him if he is playing like he is playing in a contract year. It'd mean we're winning.
You are right. He won’t trade him, just like Ball. It’s why he was scared to trade for Lauri M when he was offered.
Posted on 9/14/24 at 2:42 pm to ErikGordan
quote:What opportunity?
Griff missed his opportunities to trade CJ to Philly or Orlando
Posted on 9/14/24 at 7:04 pm to shel311
If think that CJ is going to be awesome for us this season. With Murray at PG, CJ will be able to work off-ball and do more of what he does best.
And Theis is really an ideal center for him, because Theis sets great screens, and CJ is a great scorer off of quality screens, and Theis can also pop for the 3.
I absolutely do not wish that we had traded CJ this offseason.
I expect CJ and Theis to play together, and I expect CJ to sit when we "go small" and play without a true center.
And Theis is really an ideal center for him, because Theis sets great screens, and CJ is a great scorer off of quality screens, and Theis can also pop for the 3.
I absolutely do not wish that we had traded CJ this offseason.
I expect CJ and Theis to play together, and I expect CJ to sit when we "go small" and play without a true center.
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