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I have a hard time believing Griffin will do what needs to be done.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 8:44 am
Posted on 4/15/24 at 8:44 am
It is very clear, that win or lose (barring a miracle run out of the 1st round), there needs to be some serious changes.
Zion and BI cannot really co-exist. You cannot pay Trey 100+ and have BI making 200+. You HAVE to find a center that fits better and those type of guys don't grow on trees. You have to find more shooting. And...you have to decide if Willie is working out, or you go for a guy with real cache, like Bud.
Lots of decisions, hard decisions that need to be made.
Griffin loves BI. Loves him. And he constantly talks about family this and family that.
Will Griff be willing to make cutthroat decisions, like moving BI for pieces that fit better? Moving on from guys like Naji? If some wild deal comes up, moving CJ? Axing Willie for a more proven HC that has actually won something?
I'm not saying all of those things need to happen. I'm just saying hard decisions NEED to be made...and I'm not sure he will be willing to do it.
Zion and BI cannot really co-exist. You cannot pay Trey 100+ and have BI making 200+. You HAVE to find a center that fits better and those type of guys don't grow on trees. You have to find more shooting. And...you have to decide if Willie is working out, or you go for a guy with real cache, like Bud.
Lots of decisions, hard decisions that need to be made.
Griffin loves BI. Loves him. And he constantly talks about family this and family that.
Will Griff be willing to make cutthroat decisions, like moving BI for pieces that fit better? Moving on from guys like Naji? If some wild deal comes up, moving CJ? Axing Willie for a more proven HC that has actually won something?
I'm not saying all of those things need to happen. I'm just saying hard decisions NEED to be made...and I'm not sure he will be willing to do it.
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Posted on 4/15/24 at 8:47 am to Fun Bunch
Thats why you need to get rid of Griff too.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 8:52 am to Fun Bunch
100% agree. Griff is afraid of taking risks. If you dont take risks in the NBA you're gonna slowly die off. Memphis is coming back strong next year. Houston and San Antonio are only going to get stronger. Running it back is not an option.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 8:53 am to Fun Bunch
I wouldn't put it all on Griff either. Even if Gayle decided it was time to move on from Griff, I have a hard time seeing her wanting to clean house completely. If you believe MM's rumor that he says was sourced, the FO is even thinking of keeping Willie around in a FO capacity.
I'm not against keeping the brain trust strong and have generally been happy with the amount of people Griff has been able to hire, but at some point all of this loyalty and keeping people around can act as an immune system against needed changes.
I'm not against keeping the brain trust strong and have generally been happy with the amount of people Griff has been able to hire, but at some point all of this loyalty and keeping people around can act as an immune system against needed changes.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 8:54 am to Balsamic_duck
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Running it back is not an option
It isn't. And I *think* they know that.
The problem becomes what they think to do about it.
My fear is they think that just getting a Center that fits will cure all woes. So they go after someone like Mobley whose value is super low right now, and then call it a day.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 8:56 am to Balsamic_duck
Additionally when is ownership going to put pressure on Griff. Griff was handed a rebuild on a silver platter. A #1 pick, a haul from the AD trade and another big asset to flip in Jrue. What does he have to show for it after 5 years? 1 hard fought first round exit, a disappointing play in loss last year, and probably another disappointing play in loss this year.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:00 am to Balsamic_duck
I understand what Griff has tried to do. He knows that players don't want to play in New Orleans, especially not stars.
He's tried to field a top to bottom very good team, built on really solid guys that are content being here, that aren't malcontents, etc
The problem is that the NBA is a star league, and if you don't have a transcendent guy (or 3), you aren't going to win shite.
He thought Zion falling into his lap would be it, and he isn't.
He's tried to field a top to bottom very good team, built on really solid guys that are content being here, that aren't malcontents, etc
The problem is that the NBA is a star league, and if you don't have a transcendent guy (or 3), you aren't going to win shite.
He thought Zion falling into his lap would be it, and he isn't.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:12 am to Fun Bunch
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I understand what Griff has tried to do. He knows that players don't want to play in New Orleans, especially not stars.
He's tried to field a top to bottom very good team, built on really solid guys that are content being here, that aren't malcontents, etc
The problem is that the NBA is a star league, and if you don't have a transcendent guy (or 3), you aren't going to win shite.
He thought Zion falling into his lap would be it, and he isn't.
Agreed. Zion has been good when he's played but he hasnt been great. We dont have a superstar on this team. I know people were praising Zion for putting up 25/5/5 his last 5 games but like that isnt as impressive as it used to be. Lebron just put up 26/7/8 in his age 39 season. The difference between Zion even at his best and true top guys in the league like luka, Jokic, embiid is so massive.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:15 am to Fun Bunch
The first thing that needs to happen this offseason is Griff is let go. The new GM can decide if he wants to stick with Willie. I’m willing to give him another year.
I’ve had enough of Griff, and never liked him. He’s a goober who shouldn’t be in charge of a basketball organization.
Bob Myers, simple as that. Pay the man.
Get this family shite out of here.
You shouldn’t have to build a family environment and talk about it all the time. It should happen organically, and it happens when you win and have players and coaches that all are professional enough to know what the goal of the organization is, to win a championship. It’s that simple. There are no other goals. If you are more concerned about your upcoming contract, then go somewhere else.
One goal, win a championship. That is what guides every player and coach to work hard in everything they do, YEAR ROUND.
While I love BI as well, I would without a doubt consider trading him this offseason for someone like Bam, if the Heat would even consider that.
I also think during this first year in 5 fricking years of extended games with BI and Zion playing together, our coach didn’t utilize their skill sets together at all.
So few Zion on ball picks for BI, when that should be the staple of the offense. That play, with three shooters should be our bread and butter. I’d rather see a coach use them like that more before writing one of them off to trade away.literally every team in the league with two guys like that as their best player runs sets like that all game long, except us.
I’ve had enough of Griff, and never liked him. He’s a goober who shouldn’t be in charge of a basketball organization.
Bob Myers, simple as that. Pay the man.
Get this family shite out of here.
You shouldn’t have to build a family environment and talk about it all the time. It should happen organically, and it happens when you win and have players and coaches that all are professional enough to know what the goal of the organization is, to win a championship. It’s that simple. There are no other goals. If you are more concerned about your upcoming contract, then go somewhere else.
One goal, win a championship. That is what guides every player and coach to work hard in everything they do, YEAR ROUND.
While I love BI as well, I would without a doubt consider trading him this offseason for someone like Bam, if the Heat would even consider that.
I also think during this first year in 5 fricking years of extended games with BI and Zion playing together, our coach didn’t utilize their skill sets together at all.
So few Zion on ball picks for BI, when that should be the staple of the offense. That play, with three shooters should be our bread and butter. I’d rather see a coach use them like that more before writing one of them off to trade away.literally every team in the league with two guys like that as their best player runs sets like that all game long, except us.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:16 am to Balsamic_duck
Until zion adds additional offensive moves, he's gonna struggle vs the elite teams who can use an athletic big man to neutralize him.
That's why a guy like Ingram is so important to this team his 3 level scoring when on, changes the entire defensive scheme/dynamic.
That's why a guy like Ingram is so important to this team his 3 level scoring when on, changes the entire defensive scheme/dynamic.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:30 am to TeddyPadillac
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The first thing that needs to happen this offseason is Griff is let go.
Not gonna happen bud.
So on to the next idea and what we can get Griff to actually do.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:33 am to Fun Bunch
I think trading BI and firing Willie are more important than firing Griff.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:35 am to htran90
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That's why a guy like Ingram is so important to this team his 3 level scoring when on, changes the entire defensive scheme/dynamic.
And yet, the Pels starting lineup seems to be better with Trey and Zion rather than BI and Zion.
Its that the backup unit suffers with Trey going to the starters.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:44 am to Fun Bunch
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Not gonna happen bud.
Explain why?
What has he done?
He’s wasted picks left and right.
The medical staff is a joke.
He’s made 2 hires as head coach. One was terrible, the other isn’t doing well. How many GMs get the chance to hire 3 coaches?
And the coach he fired a year after he got here wanted to fight him a year later and can’t stand him.
I’m pretty sure Zion can’t stand him.
This family he’s building isn’t how you win championships. We talk all the time about how important Larry and CJ are to the team off the court. frick that. We aren’t some young team full of rookies anymore. I’m not saying I want to trade CJ, but Griff is never going to even entertain that idea. CJ says he wants to retire here. Well that’s great and I love the guy and I hope that can happen, but if we can improve our team by trading him, then you do it. But that’s hard to do when you constantly preach all this family crap b/c then you look like a hypocrite.
He’s out there to not hurt anyone’s feelings. frick yo feelings. I’m here to win. You’ll feel good when we win.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:46 am to TeddyPadillac
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Explain why?
Because Gayle Benson is not going to do it. Griffin will be here for at least another year, if not longer.
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What has he done?
He’s wasted picks left and right.
The medical staff is a joke.
He’s made 2 hires as head coach. One was terrible, the other isn’t doing well. How many GMs get the chance to hire 3 coaches?
And the coach he fired a year after he got here wanted to fight him a year later and can’t stand him.
I’m pretty sure Zion can’t stand him.
This family he’s building isn’t how you win championships. We talk all the time about how important Larry and CJ are to the team off the court. frick that. We aren’t some young team full of rookies anymore. I’m not saying I want to trade CJ, but Griff is never going to even entertain that idea. CJ says he wants to retire here. Well that’s great and I love the guy and I hope that can happen, but if we can improve our team by trading him, then you do it. But that’s hard to do when you constantly preach all this family crap b/c then you look like a hypocrite.
He’s out there to not hurt anyone’s feelings. frick yo feelings. I’m here to win. You’ll feel good when we win.
All of this may be true and good reasoning for doing it.
But Gayle is not going to do it.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:49 am to Fun Bunch
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Its that the backup unit suffers with Trey going to the starters.
Hawk if we knew what we were doing.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:55 am to TeddyPadillac
We've just had our best regular season in 16 years. Griff isn't getting fired. Willie getting fired is very unlikely.
Let's live in the real world.
And in that real world, I think that BI is getting traded for a center.
The only "run it back" scenario that keeps the big three intact would be something like trading Dyson or Hawk for a young center like Walker Kessler. Or a freak lottery where we end up with a top-4 pick.
But I think that the evidence is strong now that BI is not a great fit with Zion, and we can't afford his extension with a poor fit.
My off-season prediction is that BI gets traded for a new starting center.
Let's live in the real world.
And in that real world, I think that BI is getting traded for a center.
The only "run it back" scenario that keeps the big three intact would be something like trading Dyson or Hawk for a young center like Walker Kessler. Or a freak lottery where we end up with a top-4 pick.
But I think that the evidence is strong now that BI is not a great fit with Zion, and we can't afford his extension with a poor fit.
My off-season prediction is that BI gets traded for a new starting center.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:56 am to Fun Bunch
quote:Looks like he already extended Willie a while back. was never reported before.
I have a hard time believing Griffin will do what needs to be done.
A blurb in an Athletic article dropped saying Willie has "multiple years remaining on a new extension"
We are running it back.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:56 am to shel311
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Looks like he already extended Willie a while back. was never reported before.
A blurb in an Athletic article dropped saying Willie has "multiple years remaining on a new extension"
We are running it back.
Start the thread shellster
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:58 am to Fun Bunch
quote:Say it with me:
So on to the next idea and what we can get Griff to actually do.
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