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re: Hollinger: Ball to Charlotte, Graham to Pels could be in works.
Posted on 8/2/21 at 9:23 am to Fun Bunch
Posted on 8/2/21 at 9:23 am to Fun Bunch
You guys also have to remember that Griff loves making complex trades and the Memphis trade gives him a foundation to get really complicated.
Step 1) Get Lonzo to accept a S&T destination that has more to offer than Chicago
Step 2) Take that stuff and trade it for something you want more
Maybe Graham is the first offer and they end up giving you Rozier and you're happy, or maybe you don't like either and you flip what Charlotte gives you for Brogdon, or maybe you make it even more complicated and flip it for Smart who you flip for Bogdonavic.
The bottom line is the Pels still have the power to crush Lonzo's dreams and match, if there's even a team willing to give him an offer sheet. If he wants to leave that badly he needs to help us find an alternative we can accept. RFA is designed so the player is at the team's mercy, not the other way around.
Step 1) Get Lonzo to accept a S&T destination that has more to offer than Chicago
Step 2) Take that stuff and trade it for something you want more
Maybe Graham is the first offer and they end up giving you Rozier and you're happy, or maybe you don't like either and you flip what Charlotte gives you for Brogdon, or maybe you make it even more complicated and flip it for Smart who you flip for Bogdonavic.
The bottom line is the Pels still have the power to crush Lonzo's dreams and match, if there's even a team willing to give him an offer sheet. If he wants to leave that badly he needs to help us find an alternative we can accept. RFA is designed so the player is at the team's mercy, not the other way around.
This post was edited on 8/2/21 at 9:26 am
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Posted on 8/2/21 at 9:25 am to eyeran
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There's no world in which Devonte Graham is the lead guard on a good team.
A 6ft chucker that shoots sub-40% and plays no defense?
I don't think he'd be a lead guard. He'd basically be a bargain-rate Sexton and bench scorer.
I imagine our lead guard comes via FA. Lowry is off the board so it's likely Dinwiddie (sp) now.
Posted on 8/2/21 at 9:25 am to TigerinATL
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The bottom line is the Pels still have the power to crush Lonzo's dreams and match, so if he wants to leave that badly he needs to help us find an alternative we can accept
i would think CHA he be fine with?
Posted on 8/2/21 at 9:29 am to cgrand
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i would think CHA he be fine with?
I have no clue. But I haven't heard anything to make me thing we have any interest in Chicago's garbage S&T offers, we haven't heard Chicago make any moves to clear cap space (deadlines are today for team options on Thad Young and Satoransky I believe), and they're having extra pressure applied to them by their star player today.
Imagine Chicago dumping quality depth like Young and Satoransky and then have the Pels match an offer sheet for Lonzo after tying up their cap space for 2 days. That would be disastrous for the Bulls who are already in a pretty precarious position.
So as much as Lonzo wants Chicago, it looks like we have no interest in letting him go there, so he needs to find somewhere else if he doesn't like his situation with the Pels.
This post was edited on 8/2/21 at 9:30 am
Posted on 8/2/21 at 9:30 am to Not Cooper
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He and Zo have very similar advanced stats. I think he is marginally better than Lonzo,
I am not really making a case to keep Ball over Graham, but I very much could, starting with Graham being 3 years older than Ball.
Posted on 8/2/21 at 9:33 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Agreed. I think he would be a 6th man. Which I think is a good role for him.
I don't think he'd be a lead guard.
Still think we'd try to land a lead guard in the Memphis deal. And possibly another shooter.
Posted on 8/2/21 at 9:34 am to Fun Bunch
Would be great. Now go get McDermott and a good defensive stopper like Powell or TrentJr.
Posted on 8/2/21 at 9:35 am to TigerinATL
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You guys also have to remember that Griff loves making complex trades and the Memphis trade gives him a foundation to get really complicated.
Step 1) Get Lonzo to accept a S&T destination that has more to offer than Chicago
Step 2) Take that stuff and trade it for something you want more
Maybe Graham is the first offer and they end up giving you Rozier and you're happy, or maybe you don't like either and you flip what Charlotte gives you for Brogdon, or maybe you make it even more complicated and flip it for Smart who you flip for Bogdonavic.
The bottom line is the Pels still have the power to crush Lonzo's dreams and match, if there's even a team willing to give him an offer sheet. If he wants to leave that badly he needs to help us find an alternative we can accept. RFA is designed so the player is at the team's mercy, not the other way around.
Good points. We are looking at singular stories and singular deals right now without seeing even close to the big picture. Its like looking at one paint stroke of Starry Night.
If a Ball/Graham deal is in the works, I hope there's more to our offseason than that.
Posted on 8/2/21 at 9:39 am to Fun Bunch
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Update on my update: Could very well be Lonzo and Graham in double sign-and-trade, but *NOT* with Lonzo Ball going to Charlotte. Bulls remain very much in play for Ball. Could end up a very complex transaction if this happens.
Hollinger
Posted on 8/2/21 at 9:39 am to Lester Earl
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starting with Graham being 3 years older than Ball.
He's 26, he isn't old. These guys aren't cornerstone players for the franchise. Both Zo and Graham are just role players. I just think Graham's playmaking abilities are better than Lonzo's. He would bring more ball handling and scoring to the second unit. If you get your lead guard in FA, you start him and NAW and have Graham run point as the 6th man, and I think that's a better option than keeping Zo, although as I mentioned, it isn't a needle mover (neither is keeping lonzo)
Posted on 8/2/21 at 9:40 am to Fun Bunch
Graham isnt the answer
Posted on 8/2/21 at 9:41 am to Ryan3232
Graham is so gross.
Rozier is the better get here.
Rozier is the better get here.
Posted on 8/2/21 at 9:42 am to Soggymoss
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Update on my update: Could very well be Lonzo and Graham in double sign-and-trade, but *NOT* with Lonzo Ball going to Charlotte. Bulls remain very much in play for Ball. Could end up a very complex transaction if this happens.
Somewhat makes more sense, with Griff loving his complex deals, but that would still leave Graham going to us. Don't think both Zo and Graham would be going to Chicago.
Posted on 8/2/21 at 9:43 am to SlowFlowPro
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He'd basically be a bargain-rate Sexton and bench scorer.
Yeah, but that's more of what the team needs than Ball is. It may not solve our lead guard issue yet, but it brings an aspect this team is badly missing.
We've already seen that NAW can duplicate Ball's impact on the game.
Posted on 8/2/21 at 9:43 am to Fun Bunch
Pels probably don't like what Chicago has to offer so they are going to next team on Lonzo's "list". I don't think the Pels have any intention of making the return piece from the Lonzo s/t the starting PG. We have too much money too spend to settle for that. That is unless we do a 3 team S/t with Charlotte and Indiana where we get Brogdon back and send Graham to Indiana
Posted on 8/2/21 at 9:43 am to Not Cooper
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He's 26, he isn't old.
at 26 his development is a lot more capped than Lonzo Ball's.
Graham probably used differently on a better team, i get it. His peripherals are not great and he doesn't have much room to improve, given his age, skill and athleticism
Posted on 8/2/21 at 9:43 am to Fun Bunch
Yeah, could be Markkanen going to Charlotte, maybe 
Is he hinting at something, or is he just throwing shite against the wall?
quote:
@johnhollinger
Btw a 3 or 4-team deal with at least two sign-and-trades and multiple BYC situations is pretty much every capologist's dream scenario.
Is he hinting at something, or is he just throwing shite against the wall?
This post was edited on 8/2/21 at 9:46 am
Posted on 8/2/21 at 9:50 am to Epic Cajun
Lauri makes sense for Chicago.
Posted on 8/2/21 at 9:51 am to Lester Earl
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I am not really making a case to keep Ball over Graham, but I very much could, starting with Graham being 3 years older than Ball.
And 5" shorter then Ball too, but he has a very long wingspan
Posted on 8/2/21 at 9:52 am to Epic Cajun
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Is he hinting at something, or is he just throwing shite against the wall?
Well he was the same dude that said the Pelicans leaving New Orleans was a possibility months ago and gave no reasoning to back it up. Then none of his NOLA Athletic colleagues (Guillory, notably) bothered to clap back at him for the irresponsibleness, but that's for another day
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