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re: CJ deal done. Hart, Sato and NAW and picks out CJ,Nance Snell in TRADE NOW OFFICIAL
Posted on 2/9/22 at 2:09 am to England_Pelican
Posted on 2/9/22 at 2:09 am to England_Pelican
Portland Reddit is a bit of both
Posted on 2/9/22 at 5:11 am to Stamps74
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So what grade is everyone giving griff now ?
In terms of grading Griff, yes, it's true that yesterday's trade is great, and everyone (OK, except for a few ESPN haters) is giving us an A.
But the way it changes an overall valuation of Griff is that it validates our offseason.
We saved money by swapping out Adams for Valanciunas. We saved money by getting Graham instead of re-signing Lonzo. But we whiffed on getting a big-time lead guard, famously striking out with Chris Paul and Kyle Lowry.
So, any honest evaluation of our offseason had to have this big "incomplete" grade. We had created cap space and a big trade exception, but we didn't use them. We didn't get the lead guard we needed. If we had ended up just wasting the cap space and TPE, then the grade you give Griff for this past offseason would have to be poor, despite drafting Herb and getting Jose (and hiring Willie).
But that's not what happened. Now, Lonzo doesn't look like such a big loss, because we have CJ as a lead guard.
Yesterday's trade means that we can go back and change that offseason grade from a big "I" to an "A."
If we're grading Griff overall, we also have to admit that using #4 for Jaxson and NAW doesn't look so bad today. I don't think that anyone can look at Jaxson these last few weeks and hate drafting him. He's not Garland to be sure, but that 2019 draft can no longer be considered a big mistake.
Griffin has still made plenty of mistakes, including:
- Nicolo Melli
- Letting Christian Wood walk in favor of Melli
- The JJ Redick fiasco
- Keeping, and then firing Alvin Gentry, along with the negative press of Griff badmouthing Al to everyone ("He had all the answers and still failed the test.")
- The Zion rehab fiasco, failing to find a way to get Zion and Aaron Nelson on the same page, and the failure to build a relationship with Zion and his camp (the piano story was way overblown, but it's still an area he could have handled much better)
- Hiring SVG, and allowing the culture to disintegrate under him
Overall, though, David Griffin has built a team that, with growth in Zion's game, should be rising toward contention next season, and that's what the expectation was when we made the AD trade and drafted Zion. So, I think that his overall grade has to be a solid "B."
Posted on 2/9/22 at 7:08 am to GOP_Tiger
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Letting Christian Wood walk in favor of Melli
Christian Wood let Christian Wood walk. Every report about him since he's been in the league says he's a me me me player. He's the player that puts up numbers on a losing team. His attitude is why he's where he's at. And his talent is the only reason why he has a contract. Look no further than this current season when he got benched for not showing up on time for practice and refused to check in the game.
Posted on 2/9/22 at 7:24 am to whatiknowsofar
Look last night when he took a cheap shot on Trey, and frankly should've been kicked out the game.
Also, down 15 with 3-4 minutes left during a timeout when the team was huddled up, he was standing up dancing.
Also, down 15 with 3-4 minutes left during a timeout when the team was huddled up, he was standing up dancing.
Posted on 2/9/22 at 8:07 am to Soggymoss
quote:Nice
Christian Clark
If the Pelicans' first-round pick doesn't convey to the Blazers this year, the Blazers get the Bucks' 2025 first-round pick (top-4 protected).
Posted on 2/9/22 at 8:13 am to eyeran
Thats good, so in 2025 we need to root for Bucks to get pick 30
Posted on 2/9/22 at 8:16 am to Soggymoss
You mean pick 29. We're getting pick 30.
Posted on 2/9/22 at 8:19 am to whatiknowsofar
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Christian Wood let Christian Wood walk. Every report about him since he's been in the league says he's a me me me player.
I don't really dispute that. I don't want him on the team. But that doesn't mean that letting him walk for nothing in favor of Nico Melli was a good move.
Posted on 2/9/22 at 8:33 am to GOP_Tiger
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don't really dispute that. I don't want him on the team. But that doesn't mean that letting him walk for nothing in favor of Nico Melli was a good move.
But he had no value at that point. We had no choice but to let him walk if we didn’t want him on the team. I suppose we could have kept him and S&T him like the Pistons did, but that really didn’t net them much either.
Posted on 2/9/22 at 8:42 am to GOP_Tiger
We didn't chose Nico over Wood, Wood chose not to compete for playing time because he felt he was entitled to it.
Wood would have been here had he not been a bitch and competed for playing time, instead he demanded to be released/traded.
Wood would have been here had he not been a bitch and competed for playing time, instead he demanded to be released/traded.
Posted on 2/9/22 at 8:42 am to Not Cooper
There's not a shred of doubt that, if you put Jaxson Hayes into the wrong culture, he would turn into a player that we wouldn't want on our team.
That's not an argument for letting him walk
There's zero reason to think that Christian Wood was a problem with the Pels or that he wouldn't have been an asset to the organization if we'd kept him, especially since we replaced him with a negative player in Nico Melli.
Nevertheless, I am not really interested in arguing about Christian Wood, so this will be my last post about him.
That's not an argument for letting him walk
There's zero reason to think that Christian Wood was a problem with the Pels or that he wouldn't have been an asset to the organization if we'd kept him, especially since we replaced him with a negative player in Nico Melli.
Nevertheless, I am not really interested in arguing about Christian Wood, so this will be my last post about him.
Posted on 2/9/22 at 8:43 am to GOP_Tiger
Christian Wood has been an a-hole in every locker room he has been in, which is why he doesn’t stick anywhere.
If you deal with one a-hole, they are the a-hole.
If you deal with assholes all day, you’re probably the a-hole.
If you deal with one a-hole, they are the a-hole.
If you deal with assholes all day, you’re probably the a-hole.
Posted on 2/9/22 at 8:45 am to GOP_Tiger
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There's zero reason to think that Christian Wood was a problem with the Pels
There were murmurs, and there was loud murmurs when we let him go that he essentially asked to be let go.
Everywhere he has been he was an a-hole.
Some people are just assholes dude.
Posted on 2/9/22 at 8:48 am to Fun Bunch
Yeah Wood has almost negative value right now and he's not even on a bad deal. Just a toxic person no good team would touch.
Posted on 2/9/22 at 8:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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Andrew Lopez
@_Andrew_Lopez
Can confirm what Christian reported that the Blazers pick gets pushed to the top-4 protected Bucks pick in 2025 if it doesn’t convey this season.
Also, sources say if the pick doesn’t convert that season, it will convert to two second round picks after that.
Posted on 2/9/22 at 8:58 am to eyeran
I liked Fox, but any Fox deal was going to be an overpay. The CJ deal is just great value because Portland needed cap space.
Posted on 2/9/22 at 9:02 am to TigerinATL
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So full pick compensation update for the trade:
- 2022 1st-round pick (1-4 protected that converts to a 1-4 protected 2025 Bucks pick that converts to two 2nds if not conveyed then)
- the better of New Orleans’ and Portland’s 2026 2nd-round draft pick
- 2027 2nd-round draft pick
Posted on 2/9/22 at 9:09 am to SlowFlowPro
I can not believe we are relitigating the Wood nonsense again.
We drafted two bigs, brought one in in FA, another one from overseas, then guaranteed Okafor's contract but not Wood.
Wood going to Griff and being like, "hey, ah, do I have a chance here and if you seem to not believe in me can I go somewhere else where I have a realistic shot to compete?" is not toxicity. He literally left to go compete for a spot on a minimum in Detroit.
Wood is like this weird holdover from when people were still into defending all things Griff. Wood, like Lonzo, is a guy that in a do-over you would have liked to have handled differently because they had greater value you could have squeezed than you got. Both for your team, and as a potential asset
We drafted two bigs, brought one in in FA, another one from overseas, then guaranteed Okafor's contract but not Wood.
Wood going to Griff and being like, "hey, ah, do I have a chance here and if you seem to not believe in me can I go somewhere else where I have a realistic shot to compete?" is not toxicity. He literally left to go compete for a spot on a minimum in Detroit.
Wood is like this weird holdover from when people were still into defending all things Griff. Wood, like Lonzo, is a guy that in a do-over you would have liked to have handled differently because they had greater value you could have squeezed than you got. Both for your team, and as a potential asset
This post was edited on 2/9/22 at 9:11 am
Posted on 2/9/22 at 9:15 am to Bronc
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Wood is like this weird holdover from when people were still into defending all things Griff. Wood, like Lonzo, is a guy that in a do-over you would have liked to have handled differently because they had greater value you could have squeezed than you got. Both for your team, and as a potential asset
There were people, plural, in the building that had an issue with his attitude. He went undrafted for a reason. His attitude. He was waived here for the same reason.
ESPN tried to do a reclamation for Wood last year. I read the article and wish I could find it but it confirms a lot of it and Wood even admits his character wasnt where it should be
Posted on 2/9/22 at 10:41 am to whatiknowsofar
Honestly didnt realize there were still people upset about us not keeping Wood.
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