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re: CJ deal done. Hart, Sato and NAW and picks out CJ,Nance Snell in TRADE NOW OFFICIAL

Posted on 2/9/22 at 2:09 am to
Posted by Pelefraan 1
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Posted on 2/9/22 at 2:09 am to
Portland Reddit is a bit of both
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 2/9/22 at 5:11 am to
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So what grade is everyone giving griff now ?



In terms of grading Griff, yes, it's true that yesterday's trade is great, and everyone (OK, except for a few ESPN haters) is giving us an A.

But the way it changes an overall valuation of Griff is that it validates our offseason.

We saved money by swapping out Adams for Valanciunas. We saved money by getting Graham instead of re-signing Lonzo. But we whiffed on getting a big-time lead guard, famously striking out with Chris Paul and Kyle Lowry.

So, any honest evaluation of our offseason had to have this big "incomplete" grade. We had created cap space and a big trade exception, but we didn't use them. We didn't get the lead guard we needed. If we had ended up just wasting the cap space and TPE, then the grade you give Griff for this past offseason would have to be poor, despite drafting Herb and getting Jose (and hiring Willie).

But that's not what happened. Now, Lonzo doesn't look like such a big loss, because we have CJ as a lead guard.
Yesterday's trade means that we can go back and change that offseason grade from a big "I" to an "A."

If we're grading Griff overall, we also have to admit that using #4 for Jaxson and NAW doesn't look so bad today. I don't think that anyone can look at Jaxson these last few weeks and hate drafting him. He's not Garland to be sure, but that 2019 draft can no longer be considered a big mistake.

Griffin has still made plenty of mistakes, including:

- Nicolo Melli

- Letting Christian Wood walk in favor of Melli

- The JJ Redick fiasco

- Keeping, and then firing Alvin Gentry, along with the negative press of Griff badmouthing Al to everyone ("He had all the answers and still failed the test.")

- The Zion rehab fiasco, failing to find a way to get Zion and Aaron Nelson on the same page, and the failure to build a relationship with Zion and his camp (the piano story was way overblown, but it's still an area he could have handled much better)

- Hiring SVG, and allowing the culture to disintegrate under him


Overall, though, David Griffin has built a team that, with growth in Zion's game, should be rising toward contention next season, and that's what the expectation was when we made the AD trade and drafted Zion. So, I think that his overall grade has to be a solid "B."
Posted by whatiknowsofar
hm?
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Posted on 2/9/22 at 7:08 am to
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Letting Christian Wood walk in favor of Melli


Christian Wood let Christian Wood walk. Every report about him since he's been in the league says he's a me me me player. He's the player that puts up numbers on a losing team. His attitude is why he's where he's at. And his talent is the only reason why he has a contract. Look no further than this current season when he got benched for not showing up on time for practice and refused to check in the game.
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17660 posts
Posted on 2/9/22 at 7:24 am to
Look last night when he took a cheap shot on Trey, and frankly should've been kicked out the game.

Also, down 15 with 3-4 minutes left during a timeout when the team was huddled up, he was standing up dancing.
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 2/9/22 at 8:07 am to
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Christian Clark
If the Pelicans' first-round pick doesn't convey to the Blazers this year, the Blazers get the Bucks' 2025 first-round pick (top-4 protected).
Nice
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 2/9/22 at 8:13 am to
Thats good, so in 2025 we need to root for Bucks to get pick 30
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 2/9/22 at 8:16 am to
You mean pick 29. We're getting pick 30.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 2/9/22 at 8:19 am to
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Christian Wood let Christian Wood walk. Every report about him since he's been in the league says he's a me me me player. 


I don't really dispute that. I don't want him on the team. But that doesn't mean that letting him walk for nothing in favor of Nico Melli was a good move.
Posted by Not Cooper
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 2/9/22 at 8:33 am to
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don't really dispute that. I don't want him on the team. But that doesn't mean that letting him walk for nothing in favor of Nico Melli was a good move.

But he had no value at that point. We had no choice but to let him walk if we didn’t want him on the team. I suppose we could have kept him and S&T him like the Pistons did, but that really didn’t net them much either.
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 2/9/22 at 8:42 am to
We didn't chose Nico over Wood, Wood chose not to compete for playing time because he felt he was entitled to it.

Wood would have been here had he not been a bitch and competed for playing time, instead he demanded to be released/traded.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20975 posts
Posted on 2/9/22 at 8:42 am to
There's not a shred of doubt that, if you put Jaxson Hayes into the wrong culture, he would turn into a player that we wouldn't want on our team.

That's not an argument for letting him walk

There's zero reason to think that Christian Wood was a problem with the Pels or that he wouldn't have been an asset to the organization if we'd kept him, especially since we replaced him with a negative player in Nico Melli.

Nevertheless, I am not really interested in arguing about Christian Wood, so this will be my last post about him.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 2/9/22 at 8:43 am to
Christian Wood has been an a-hole in every locker room he has been in, which is why he doesn’t stick anywhere.

If you deal with one a-hole, they are the a-hole.

If you deal with assholes all day, you’re probably the a-hole.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130337 posts
Posted on 2/9/22 at 8:45 am to
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There's zero reason to think that Christian Wood was a problem with the Pels


There were murmurs, and there was loud murmurs when we let him go that he essentially asked to be let go.

Everywhere he has been he was an a-hole.

Some people are just assholes dude.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477254 posts
Posted on 2/9/22 at 8:48 am to
Yeah Wood has almost negative value right now and he's not even on a bad deal. Just a toxic person no good team would touch.
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
22229 posts
Posted on 2/9/22 at 8:55 am to
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Andrew Lopez
@_Andrew_Lopez

Can confirm what Christian reported that the Blazers pick gets pushed to the top-4 protected Bucks pick in 2025 if it doesn’t convey this season.

Also, sources say if the pick doesn’t convert that season, it will convert to two second round picks after that.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 2/9/22 at 8:58 am to
I liked Fox, but any Fox deal was going to be an overpay. The CJ deal is just great value because Portland needed cap space.
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17660 posts
Posted on 2/9/22 at 9:02 am to
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So full pick compensation update for the trade:

- 2022 1st-round pick (1-4 protected that converts to a 1-4 protected 2025 Bucks pick that converts to two 2nds if not conveyed then)
- the better of New Orleans’ and Portland’s 2026 2nd-round draft pick
- 2027 2nd-round draft pick
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 2/9/22 at 9:09 am to
I can not believe we are relitigating the Wood nonsense again.

We drafted two bigs, brought one in in FA, another one from overseas, then guaranteed Okafor's contract but not Wood.

Wood going to Griff and being like, "hey, ah, do I have a chance here and if you seem to not believe in me can I go somewhere else where I have a realistic shot to compete?" is not toxicity. He literally left to go compete for a spot on a minimum in Detroit.

Wood is like this weird holdover from when people were still into defending all things Griff. Wood, like Lonzo, is a guy that in a do-over you would have liked to have handled differently because they had greater value you could have squeezed than you got. Both for your team, and as a potential asset
This post was edited on 2/9/22 at 9:11 am
Posted by whatiknowsofar
hm?
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 2/9/22 at 9:15 am to
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Wood is like this weird holdover from when people were still into defending all things Griff. Wood, like Lonzo, is a guy that in a do-over you would have liked to have handled differently because they had greater value you could have squeezed than you got. Both for your team, and as a potential asset


There were people, plural, in the building that had an issue with his attitude. He went undrafted for a reason. His attitude. He was waived here for the same reason.

ESPN tried to do a reclamation for Wood last year. I read the article and wish I could find it but it confirms a lot of it and Wood even admits his character wasnt where it should be
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
I'm your huckleberry
Member since Apr 2008
42478 posts
Posted on 2/9/22 at 10:41 am to
Honestly didnt realize there were still people upset about us not keeping Wood.
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