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re: Amin Elhassan on Alvin Gentry
Posted on 6/1/15 at 9:12 am to corndeaux
Posted on 6/1/15 at 9:12 am to corndeaux
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Sort of like Gentry in his 2nd year with the Clippers, right?
31-51 to 39-43 is decent progress.
39-43 to 19-39 is severe regression, even with injuries. Nobody would have accepted that for Monty here.
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Posted on 6/1/15 at 9:15 am to TeddyPadillac
The teams he had were mostly awful or had terrible defenders
He was also hired as an interm for a few of them as well.
He was also hired as an interm for a few of them as well.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 9:16 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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cheap straw man tactics
Dude. It's a discussion board. I discuss. Sometimes I disagree. Not trying to use tactics or "win" or play "gotcha!"
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VOR is the only true sunshine pumper here
Other boards on this site, my man. And I wouldn't say he's a sunshine pumper, just a happy drunk.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 9:17 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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Well, Fear has been a big pumper on this hire, but has been one of the biggest debbie downers over the last 2 seasons
Most his downing is sarcasm
I'm pretty much pro everything and a noted pumper(although I've lashed at things)
This post was edited on 6/1/15 at 9:18 am
Posted on 6/1/15 at 9:18 am to LosLobos111
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Most his downing is sarcasm
I definitely get that. He's one of the few on here I've actually met, so I know that's not really his personality.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 9:19 am to corndeaux
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And I wouldn't say he's a sunshine pumper, just a happy drunk.
Most of the time. He got drunk and mean to me that one time.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 9:19 am to tgr4ever
From what ive read, it seems that all of the popular opinions held by fans in terms of player preference and playing style are also held by him.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 9:27 am to tgr4ever
fantastic podcast regardless how you feel about gentry
good work by the BSS guys
good work by the BSS guys
Posted on 6/1/15 at 9:28 am to cgrand
It really was
I actually really do enjoy their podcasts
I actually really do enjoy their podcasts
Posted on 6/1/15 at 9:37 am to LosLobos111
I am sorry and I truly hope I am wrong but this just has disaster written all over it. I would fire someone and then hire someone with a losing record. What's the saying about people who ignore history?
Posted on 6/1/15 at 9:40 am to corndeaux
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Dude. It's a discussion board. I discuss. Sometimes I disagree. Not trying to use tactics or "win" or play "gotcha!"
I missed this earlier. I wasn't implying that you were using strawman tactics. My point was that the people who pull out the pumper card are using them. The same goes the other way, where anyone who isn't enamored with the hire is suddenly just a miserable, hate-filled individual who doesn't understand the game.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 9:53 am to tigerworkpart2
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I am sorry and I truly hope I am wrong but this just has disaster written all over it.
I just don't understand this point of view at all. I get how you can think he's a weaker candidate than others mentioned, I tend to agree, but I think he's definitely better than Monty. Even if you're focusing just on records, Monty had a .439 winning percentage and never got past the 1st round, Gentry has a .475 winning percentage and has made the Conference Finals. So if he's definitely better than Monty and many people expected the team to improve again next year under Monty, maybe even get to 50 wins if healthy, how could Gentry be a "disaster"? Gentry better be as good as his supporters say, because he has a pretty high standared to live up to and Monty and Demps have already used up all the excuses.
This post was edited on 6/1/15 at 9:59 am
Posted on 6/1/15 at 9:54 am to tigerworkpart2
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I am sorry and I truly hope I am wrong but this just has disaster written all over it. I would fire someone and then hire someone with a losing record. What's the saying about people who ignore history?
What does it say about someone who doesnt know how to analyze history?
If you were going into war, would you not want Robert E. Lee to be your general? BUT HE LOST!! Look deeper.
If you find yourself on the opposite side of an argument to a bunch of top guys in a field you are either
1)more knowledgeable than them
2)less knowledgeable than them
which do you think is more likely?
Posted on 6/1/15 at 10:04 am to TigerinATL
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So if he's definitely better than Monty and many people expected the team to improve again next year under Monty, maybe even get to 50 wins if healthy, how could Gentry be a "disaster"?
Just about any coach could get us to 50 wins next season if we are healthy. Who cares how many games we win? we have one goal, win a championship, not look the funnest and win regular season games.
I really don't like the hire, but i'll give him a chance, since i have no choice in it.
If we are healthy next year, and we win <45 games, are you going to be happy enough to keep him?
He has very high expectations to live up to.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 10:14 am to TeddyPadillac
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Who cares how many games we win?
50 win season =/= disaster. I'm just trying to tone down the rhetoric. I'm not saying you have to be happy, this wasn't Gentry vs. Monty, it was Gentry vs. JVG by all accounts, but elevating the conversation beyond Monty is an improvement on it's own so I just don't get the end of the world points of view. Did we make the worst choice of the improved situations? Perhaps. But to me that's a hell of a lot better than running it back and have AD earn Monty an extension, especially with the weird balance of power situation we had where Demps wasn't above Monty.
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If we are healthy next year, and we win <45 games, are you going to be happy enough to keep him?
No. I already said
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Gentry better be as good as his supporters say, because he has a pretty high standared to live up to and Monty and Demps have already used up all the excuses.
I hate to think a coach in year 1 is on the hot seat, but I think we need to see a 50 or more win team. If not maybe you fire them both and give the team to Thibs or JVG.
This post was edited on 6/1/15 at 10:18 am
Posted on 6/1/15 at 10:18 am to TeddyPadillac
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we have one goal, win a championship
look this is a noble goal, but it's not a realistic goal given this sport, league, and our situation
you'll have a lot more fun with this team when you accept that fact
Posted on 6/1/15 at 10:21 am to SlowFlowPro
ehh I mean you have a guy that can potentially become the best player in the game and an owner willing to spend tons of cash because he knows he can't take it with him when he dies, I don't think its out of the realm of possibilities they could end up in the title hunt at some point.
Likely? Probably not but to complete dismiss the possibility seems silly as well.
Likely? Probably not but to complete dismiss the possibility seems silly as well.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 10:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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look this is a noble goal, but it's not a realistic goal given this sport, league, and our situation
you'll have a lot more fun with this team when you accept that fact
Like hell it isn't a realistic goal. I'm not asking to win it every year, but i expect to compete for a championship at some point while AD is here, and if we aren't, then either he isn't as good as he's hyped to be(which i don't believe), or we are failing as an organization to give our team the best chance to compete for that championship.
winning is fun to me. I'm not going to accept not winning as fun, and if our management does that, then this team should move to Seattle.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 10:37 am to TeddyPadillac
Net Rating is supposedly one of the stats that correlates most closely to winning. The Pelicans have a net rating of 0.7, good for 15th. Let's say Gentry turns this from a #9 offense into a top 3 offense, you go from 105.4 ORtg to 108.1. That turns your net rating to 3.4 moving you from 15th to 9th. Any kind of improvement on defense moves you into dark horse contention. The only reason for the Pels not to become a contender is if they don't hire a good DC to improve the defense. And that's not an acceptable reason IMO.
I guess one thing that would allow me to keep Gentry more than 1 year even if he didn't achieve the success level I'm looking for, is if we do see a top 3 offense but the defense doesn't improve and they replace the DC. I'll give him 2 years to get the defense in shape, but he better deliver on offense in year 1.
I guess one thing that would allow me to keep Gentry more than 1 year even if he didn't achieve the success level I'm looking for, is if we do see a top 3 offense but the defense doesn't improve and they replace the DC. I'll give him 2 years to get the defense in shape, but he better deliver on offense in year 1.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 10:38 am to Hester Carries
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What does it say about someone who doesnt know how to analyze history?
This question is asinine and arrogant.
quote:
If you were going into war, would you not want Robert E. Lee to be your general? BUT HE LOST!! Look deeper.
quote:
If you find yourself on the opposite side of an argument to a bunch of top guys in a field you are either
1)more knowledgeable than them
2)less knowledgeable than them
Or
3) Have a differing opinion, none of which can be proven correct without a clear view of the reality of the future.
quote:
which do you think is more likely?
I think I'm clearly more intelligent than you are, and that's the only thing that matters.
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