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Amin Elhassan on Alvin Gentry
Posted on 6/1/15 at 4:15 am
Posted on 6/1/15 at 4:15 am
The most recent 'In the NO podcast' featured Amin Elhassan (Assistant director of basketball operations for the Suns between 2008-2011) and he talked a little about Alvin Gentry and what he brings to the team:
-Alvin is a leader, all-around coach. Excellent communicator and motivator
-Judging Alvin Gentry based on his record is the 'lazy man response'. Gentry had an expansion team in Miami, In Detroit he was picking up the pieces after Doug Collins left and Grant Hill injuries started to begin. The Clippers were a very very young team, ''at a time when that wasnt the norm in the NBA''
-Alvin is a big fan of Jrue Holiday
-Great thing that Alvin does is convince you to be great at who you are
-Alvin did not have good defensive players with the Suns, so judging his defense is 'not fair'
-Alvin knows everybody, and doesnt burn bridges
-Thinks Alvin realizes the benefits of having a diverse coaching staff (For example, you want a old guy, young guy, ex-player, etc)
-Alvin knows to let his assistants have leeway and run practice, is not a dictator type coach. Similar to Steve Kerr.
-Alvin is open to analytics. ''If you give him information he will use it''
-Alvin is a people's person, can relate to people with vastly different backgrounds
-Alvin will have his players play to their strengths
-Says Alvin will let the players walk in with a clean slate and give them an opportunity to prove themselves when they come in to camp
Link for anyone who wants to listen: LINK (Amin comes on around the 15 minute mark)
-Alvin is a leader, all-around coach. Excellent communicator and motivator
-Judging Alvin Gentry based on his record is the 'lazy man response'. Gentry had an expansion team in Miami, In Detroit he was picking up the pieces after Doug Collins left and Grant Hill injuries started to begin. The Clippers were a very very young team, ''at a time when that wasnt the norm in the NBA''
-Alvin is a big fan of Jrue Holiday
-Great thing that Alvin does is convince you to be great at who you are
-Alvin did not have good defensive players with the Suns, so judging his defense is 'not fair'
-Alvin knows everybody, and doesnt burn bridges
-Thinks Alvin realizes the benefits of having a diverse coaching staff (For example, you want a old guy, young guy, ex-player, etc)
-Alvin knows to let his assistants have leeway and run practice, is not a dictator type coach. Similar to Steve Kerr.
-Alvin is open to analytics. ''If you give him information he will use it''
-Alvin is a people's person, can relate to people with vastly different backgrounds
-Alvin will have his players play to their strengths
-Says Alvin will let the players walk in with a clean slate and give them an opportunity to prove themselves when they come in to camp
Link for anyone who wants to listen: LINK (Amin comes on around the 15 minute mark)
This post was edited on 6/1/15 at 4:47 am
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Posted on 6/1/15 at 7:53 am to JayJay2
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Alvin is a big fan of Jrue Holiday
Jrue Holiday will be an All Star for his 2nd time of his career!!!!!!!
Posted on 6/1/15 at 7:54 am to Smedium27
Gentry might want someone other than Ryno.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 8:10 am to LosLobos111
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Gentry might want someone other than Ryno.
Maybe, but he helped a lesser player in Channing Frye get a pretty nice contract with Orlando. Maybe he helps Anderson in a similar way & the Pels move him at the deadline? Or maybe they keep him. Too soon to know.
Also, @tgr4ever - thanks for writing up those notes on the podcast. Good stuff.
This post was edited on 6/1/15 at 8:13 am
Posted on 6/1/15 at 8:12 am to tgr4ever
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-Alvin is open to analytics. ''If you give him information he will use it''
He gave an example of where they went to him with some data that said start Robin Lopez. He gave it a try, it worked and Lopez kept starting.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 8:23 am to TigerinATL
Amin was nearly flabbergasted that monty JUST learned what DRating is.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 8:25 am to Smedium27
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Jrue Holiday will be an All Star for his 2nd time of his career!!!!!!!
While he might be much better, he's got to be better, and more popular i might add as the main key, than CP3, Curry, Lillard, Westbrook, Kobe, Harden, Thompson
Not an easy task.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 8:35 am to tgr4ever
quote:Thank you.
-Judging Alvin Gentry based on his record is the 'lazy man response'. Gentry had an expansion team in Miami, In Detroit he was picking up the pieces after Doug Collins left and Grant Hill injuries started to begin. The Clippers were a very very young team, ''at a time when that wasnt the norm in the NBA''
Posted on 6/1/15 at 8:37 am to Smedium27
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Jrue Holiday will be an All Star for his 2nd time of his career!!!!!!!
Easy now, Sparky. Curry, Westbrook, Paul, and Lillard are still in the Western Conference. I certainly think he'll help Holiday, but let's temper our expectations a bit.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 8:43 am to Jamohn
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-Judging Alvin Gentry based on his record is the 'lazy man response'. Gentry had an expansion team in Miami, In Detroit he was picking up the pieces after Doug Collins left and Grant Hill injuries started to begin. The Clippers were a very very young team, ''at a time when that wasnt the norm in the NBA''
Ignoring his record is willfully ignorant. There were reasons why he had a poor record, just like there are reasons why Monty had a poor record. That said, excused failure is still failure.
I'm sorry, but the constant need to belittle anyone that value results is amateurish rose-tinting. I hope like hell he proves me wrong and flips the script this go round, but forgive me if I'm going to hold out on calling this a home run hire.
Also, Amin has a significant bias leading to his conclusions, so time will tell.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 8:47 am to Galactic Inquisitor
I think if Gentry can max out Jrue's potential, only Curry and Paul will be a bettter POINT GUARD.
I am thinking, and also hoping, that next year teams realize how to slow down Westbrook. Also, a healthy Durant will take away alot of his shots
But I agree, regardless of potential 2015-2016 stats, Westbrook is alot popular
I am thinking, and also hoping, that next year teams realize how to slow down Westbrook. Also, a healthy Durant will take away alot of his shots
But I agree, regardless of potential 2015-2016 stats, Westbrook is alot popular
Posted on 6/1/15 at 8:53 am to tgr4ever
My favorite part was when he talked about the 'Culture of We' starting at the top and needing your GM and Coaching staff to be on the same page.
I think that is an underrated aspect of this hire. Even if I grant the argument that both Gentry and Monty are average coaches, give me the average coach who is on the same page with his GM over the one who isn't. That alone will make a huge difference.
Also, I wish we would have taped our off air stuff with him. Could have been it's own podcast; Was about 45 minutes. All of it blends together but the thing I remember most is when we talked about centers and he thought that not only will Lopez get way more than Asik this summer, but Koufos will get more as well. I know a lot of people look at Koufos as a cheap alternative to Asik, but that argument might not be valid.
I think that is an underrated aspect of this hire. Even if I grant the argument that both Gentry and Monty are average coaches, give me the average coach who is on the same page with his GM over the one who isn't. That alone will make a huge difference.
Also, I wish we would have taped our off air stuff with him. Could have been it's own podcast; Was about 45 minutes. All of it blends together but the thing I remember most is when we talked about centers and he thought that not only will Lopez get way more than Asik this summer, but Koufos will get more as well. I know a lot of people look at Koufos as a cheap alternative to Asik, but that argument might not be valid.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 8:54 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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the constant need to belittle anyone that value results is amateurish rose-tinting
Equally belittling to call people rose-tinters/pumpers for not being dour about everything. Context matters. Asking people to recognize that context and then weigh results is not ignoring faults or making excuses, rather just asking for nuance.
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Amin has a significant bias leading to his conclusions, so time will tell
This is absolutely true. I don't think you just throw out Gentry's failures because of circumstances the way Amin does here. Yet just saying his record sucked, ergo he sucks is equally as naive.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 8:58 am to corndeaux
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Equally belittling to call people rose-tinters/pumpers for not being dour about everything.
If you can show where I, or anyone else for that matter, have done that in the last week, feel free to share.
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Context matters. Asking people to recognize that context and then weigh results is not ignoring faults or making excuses, rather just asking for nuance.
Fair enough, but assuming that people have not considered that context is the direction being taken.
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Yet just saying his record sucked, ergo he sucks is equally as naive.
I don't think he "sucks." That said, I think his record, with context included, indicates that he isn't a top-flight head coach that will take a team to the finals; the same way Monty wasn't.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 9:03 am to corndeaux
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Yet just saying his record sucked, ergo he sucks is equally as naive.
That excuse could be valid if he was a head coach once, or maybe twice.
It's 12 years worth of records. That's not really naive. It's called making excuses, and making a shite ton of them.
He had 12 opportunities to impress, he impressed once, and has nothing of significance to show for that 1 year of being good.
Had he coached the Celtics this year, the excuse would be they were rebuilding and the team sucks. Yet Stevens turns them around after the all-star break and they make the playoffs, even though it's the east. You can see the progress and potential with Stevens, even with a bad team.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 9:03 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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If you can show where I, or anyone else for that matter, have done that in the last week, feel free to share.
I love that disclaimer
And it's more just a thing in general on this site. "You're happy with xyz, you're a pumper, baw" :generictdposter:
Posted on 6/1/15 at 9:06 am to corndeaux
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I love that disclaimer
Well, Fear has been a big pumper on this hire, but has been one of the biggest debbie downers over the last 2 seasons, so it was more to clarify which sets of downers/pumpers we're talking about. VOR is the only person who is consistently pro-everything.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 9:07 am to TeddyPadillac
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That excuse
Never said it was an excuse. Explicitly said it wasn't an excuse.
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You can see the progress and potential with Stevens, even with a bad team.
Sort of like Gentry in his 2nd year with the Clippers, right?
Posted on 6/1/15 at 9:08 am to corndeaux
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And it's more just a thing in general on this site. "You're happy with xyz, you're a pumper, baw"
That's just cheap straw man tactics and nothing more. Like I said, VOR is the only true sunshine pumper here.
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