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re: About the draft . . .
Posted on 3/26/16 at 10:47 pm to TigerinATL
Posted on 3/26/16 at 10:47 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
Lester's suggestion of a more accurate Jamal Crawford doesn't sound unreasonable
This didn't make sense the first time and now you're parroting it. You're comparing a guy with an insane TS % who scores either at the rim or beyond the arc to a volume chucker 40% career shooter who doesn't really get to the rim and takes tons of midrange shots. He also didn't draw contact his first few years in the league as shown by his horrendous FTA. So no, Hield and Crawford seem pretty much nothing alike other than neither are assist guys.
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Posted on 3/26/16 at 10:56 pm to ShamelessPel
Lester doesn't know much about basketball when it comes to evaluating players
Posted on 3/26/16 at 10:59 pm to VOR
I'm praying for Buddy
Posted on 3/26/16 at 11:01 pm to ShamelessPel
You're right he's a mixture of Steph, Harden, Cj, and Reddick.
Posted on 3/26/16 at 11:03 pm to ShamelessPel
lol
Are you really comparing their abilities by looking at their stats?
Crawford's game at Michigan and basically his first 10 years in the league played very similar to Hield
Are you really comparing their abilities by looking at their stats?
Crawford's game at Michigan and basically his first 10 years in the league played very similar to Hield
Posted on 3/26/16 at 11:05 pm to ShamelessPel
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So no, Hield and Crawford seem pretty much nothing alike other than neither are assist guys.
And Crawford's career average is 15.5, so I said what if he's a 17-18 ppg scorer. I'm not anti Hield, but I think part of why coming up with a good comp is hard because you Pro Hield guys really believe he's special, and maybe he is, but what score only guys end up being special and not Jamal Crawford and Ryan Anderson level scorers? Eric Gordon had he never been injured? But wasn't he pretty athletic? We thought we traded for a rim attacking machine. Harden? He's fairly unique with his knack for getting calls.
Posted on 3/26/16 at 11:06 pm to VOR
Simmons
Ingram
Hield
Don't overthink this
Ingram
Hield
Don't overthink this
Posted on 3/26/16 at 11:29 pm to 504ByrdGang
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You're right he's a mixture of Steph, Harden, Cj, and Reddick.
better than a random unknown guy with "awesome 3pt shooting and ability to run the point"...
He's the next Kawhi or batum!
Posted on 3/26/16 at 11:31 pm to 504ByrdGang
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If I'm wrong I would probably have to delete this account . I've seriously watched him and he is truly a great college player but we've seen what college player done in the NBA. He is the equivalent of a guy who is just too skilled for college ball. He's played the game for 4 year and takes advantage of weaker less athletic players. He is already so skilled I dont see where he would be able to improve his game. He doesn't just have that it gene to give him that advantage. Look at guys like Lavine who were awful in college but are gifted athletically and is looking to be a star in the NBA. While Mcdermott who was a star and was super skilled in college looks like a decent role player. Guys with crazy athleticism always trump out the highly skilled guys if they're able to put their game together. Curry may be the only example ever to trump this and even then Curry has elite quickness. We've watched Evan turner rise in the draft because he had such a great tournament and season now Heild is doing the same.
We established yesterday that you actually don't watch him.
You continue to parrot nonsense that is against reality about this player.
You have officially become a hater, the "Da Throne" of this draft. Making ridiculous comparisons as silly as when he claimed AD was going to be a glorified Tyrus Thomas with a similar career. Now trying to equivocate McDermott to Hield. Another ridiculous comparison.
The guy may never make an allstar game or get off the bench but that is beside the point that you continue to misrepresent reality about this player and view every thing he does through a prism of negativity and hate.
Luwawu grows his game(though not anywhere near Hield) as a player less then a year younger then Hield in a subpar league compared to the NBA(arguably more subpar then the NCAA) he will be walking into and it is a sign he is on the right path. Hield does it and it is a sign he is just overpowered for his competition. Luwawu averages 2.75 APG and 3 TOV while being asked to facilitate and you feel comfortable calling his passing a positive. Hield averages 2 per game when he is clearly not being asked to be a facilitator and it is enough to call him garbage at the next level. It is just one hypocrisy after another with you.
This post was edited on 3/26/16 at 11:32 pm
Posted on 3/26/16 at 11:31 pm to htran90
I think a batum possibility with a Kawhi ceiling and a very low floor is reasonable over steph curry in James Harden's body.
Posted on 3/26/16 at 11:36 pm to NOLA Bronco
quote:
We established yesterday that you actually don't watch him.
You continue to parrot nonsense that is against reality about this player.
You have officially become a hater, the "Da Throne" of this draft. Making ridiculous comparisons as silly as when he claimed AD was going to be a glorified Tyrus Thomas with a similar career. Now trying to equivocate McDermott to Hield. Another ridiculous comparison.
The guy may never make an allstar game or get off the bench but that is beside the point that you continue to misrepresent reality about this player and view every thing he does through a prism of negativity and hate.
Luwawu grows his game(though not anywhere near Hield) as a player less then a year younger then Hield in a subpar league compared to the NBA(arguably more subpar then the NCAA) he will be walking into and it is a sign he is on the right path. Hield does it and it is a sign he is just overpowered for his competition. Luwawu averages 2.75 APG and 3 TOV while being asked to facilitate and you feel comfortable calling his passing a positive. Hield averages 2 per game when he is clearly not being asked to be a facilitator and it is enough to call him garbage at the next level. It is just one hypocrisy after another with you.
The NCAA talent level is a joke compared to pro leagues. The league Luwawu plays is much more competitive than the NCAA. He plays on a team full of boys in a men's league on one of it best teams while being one of its best player. As for TOV, Luwawu get Hus from making risky passes and Heild gets his from handling the ball a ton and creating his shots. Luwawu ball handling is supposed to be a weak point and Hields is supposed to be a strong point but the avg the same amount of TOV.
Posted on 3/26/16 at 11:38 pm to 504ByrdGang
quote:I got lost a few times in this maze of a paragrpah
The contested shots he takes all the time, him never passing the ball only looking to shoot, him shooting 3 seconds in the shot clock constantly, him creating space in the nba. His extremely high usage the allows him to gain rhythm. He will be a good role player who will be a deadly 3pt shooter who moves well off ball and will occasionally create off the dribble. But you know he has the drive and is a hard worker like Rivers so no way he fails
Posted on 3/26/16 at 11:42 pm to 504ByrdGang
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The NCAA talent level is a joke compared to pro leagues. The league Luwawu plays is much more competitive than the NCAA. He plays on a team full of boys in a men's league on one of it best teams while being one of its best player. As for TOV, Luwawu get Hus from making risky passes and Heild gets his from handling the ball a ton and creating his shots. Luwawu ball handling is supposed to be a weak point and Hields is supposed to be a strong point but the avg the same amount of TOV.
We have had this argument. If this were true, the Euro league wouldn't have a much higher bust rate compared to the NCAA. They would produce more prospects and better players. Luwawu is playing wth or against literally no one else that will become high level or even regular NBA players. Cant say that about Hield.
Frankly, given how inaccurate you have been at being able to accurately represent the reality of so many players in our discussions, I actually doubt you have watched much of Luwawu either and if you have I can't imagine you have done so very accurately. A player, that mind you, I actually like and think could be one of the few Euro players in recent times to translate.
Posted on 3/26/16 at 11:45 pm to Ryan3232
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I got lost a few times in this maze of a paragrpah
Basically all you have to know is that him saying this shows he doesnt watch Hield.
It is just untrue. Hield's first shot tonight was him literally driving, recognizing the collapse onto him in the lane by two defenders, so he kicked it out to the perimeter with an open teammate who could of taken a shot, made a hesitation move, lost his defenders off the ball and cut out to the three point arc to receive a solid pass and knock down a long 3.
He is as close to a complete offensive player in college basketball that we have right now and he does it in a way that would make Sloan Analytics experts cream their pants. Playing and excelling in a system that is very similar to the one Gentry runs.
I mean he is literally trying to hate when Hield scored 37 and 61% from three.
This post was edited on 3/26/16 at 11:50 pm
Posted on 3/26/16 at 11:48 pm to 504ByrdGang
He's doing the same thing all season in the tourney, that's against the best teams majority of the time is it not?
Lets not make the Serbian league into something bigger than it is. He's playing against men, none of which are even good enough to be considered NBA players.
So Luwawu gets his turnovers from "risky passes", tells me low IQ. While you state Hield is from him trying to handling the ball and creating shots, tells me you don't really watch him at all.
Hield's weakness last year was ball handling and he worked on it. He was NEVER considered a strong ball handler...ever. He IMPROVED this year, but he's still far from an elite ball handler and nobody is even saying he's elite at it, most draft review places say he STILL needs to work on it, but you can see his improvement from last year to this year which is why they like him.
Lets not make the Serbian league into something bigger than it is. He's playing against men, none of which are even good enough to be considered NBA players.
So Luwawu gets his turnovers from "risky passes", tells me low IQ. While you state Hield is from him trying to handling the ball and creating shots, tells me you don't really watch him at all.
Hield's weakness last year was ball handling and he worked on it. He was NEVER considered a strong ball handler...ever. He IMPROVED this year, but he's still far from an elite ball handler and nobody is even saying he's elite at it, most draft review places say he STILL needs to work on it, but you can see his improvement from last year to this year which is why they like him.
Posted on 3/26/16 at 11:53 pm to htran90
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He's doing the same thing all season in the tourney, that's against the best teams majority of the time is it not?
Lets not make the Serbian league into something bigger than it is. He's playing against men, none of which are even good enough to be considered NBA players.
So Luwawu gets his turnovers from "risky passes", tells me low IQ. While you state Hield is from him trying to handling the ball and creating shots, tells me you don't really watch him at all.
Hield's weakness last year was ball handling and he worked on it. He was NEVER considered a strong ball handler...ever. He IMPROVED this year, but he's still far from an elite ball handler and nobody is even saying he's elite at it, most draft review places say he STILL needs to work on it, but you can see his improvement from last year to this year which is why they like him.
And that is the thing. Just assuming the Pelicans take him, Hield is not going to be asked to handle the ball a lot his first season. That will be up to Jrue, Evans and whoever our third backup is. Hield will be a spot up, cutting, rim attacking off guard his first season while working on all areas of his game. In what has been proven to be a very favorable system for guards.
Same really fr any of the guard prospects we could pick. The upside with Hield is he has shown at literally every level of competition that he can improve at a high level. Something we can't yet say about guys like Murray or Dunn.
This post was edited on 3/26/16 at 11:56 pm
Posted on 3/27/16 at 2:49 am to 504ByrdGang
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Weaknesses: His body type is deceiving as it appears to be soft and uncut … Listed at 6-4, he's likely close to 6-5 but still on the short side for a 2-guard … Can improve the consistency of his outside shooting … His quickness and athleticism, while good wont stand out on the next level … First step and his explosiveness aren't at an elite level … A decent defender who doesn't gamble much, but his lack of great foot speed limits his ability as a lock down guy … A terrific leader who can improve by becoming more vocal …
You know who's draft weakness profile that was? I'll give you a hint, it was a certain bearded rocket who if he had the mentality of Hield he wouldn't have come into this season fat and out of shape and would actually try on defense.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 6:56 am to sma19
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You know who's draft weakness profile that was? I'll give you a hint, it was a certain bearded rocket who if he had the mentality of Hield he wouldn't have come into this season fat and out of shape and would actually try on defense.
So now he's James Harden, you're also comparing the weakness of a 20 year old Harden to a 22 year old Heild. Name me one 4 year college guard from a major school that has lit up the nba?
This post was edited on 3/27/16 at 8:43 am
Posted on 3/27/16 at 8:59 am to 504ByrdGang
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So now he's James Harden, you're also comparing the weakness of a 20 year old Harden to a 22 year old Heild. Name me one 4 year college guard from a major school that has lit up the nba?
This "4 years in college" argument has to be the dumbest thing in sports.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 9:20 am to 504ByrdGang
i dont see how he doesnt transfer to a good pro player. I think when its all said and done well look back at buddy's pro career more favorably than simmons.
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