NOLA Bronco

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The Obama images were not deflections. You implied the POTUS should always and only meet with foreign leaders in secure settings. It's an asinine intimation. The Obama images simply demonstrate that fact.

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That was never said, quit conflating. It makes your attempts to discuss look childish .

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Let's be crystal clear, the term you seem to be searching for is "CLASSIFIED INFORMATION." Regarding Hillary's Kitchen Pantry Server, we should have been so lucky as to have just been dealing with generally classified information. Unfortunately the term in her case was "SAP Material".

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I made myself crystal clear. You decried a failure on Hillary's part to act with utmost care and security toward matters of National Security. When it comes to your guy, you do not hold the same standard. This is cut and dry. When faced with his own improprieties, you choose to flail around and make false equivalencies, excuses, and begin some bizarre line of argument that the only thing that matters is if already classified information was discussed. Pathetic. But expected.

I'm not the one taking the position of a debt hawk and debt doom sayer. That was the person those posts were directed at. That for some reason is thinking that Trump will address his concerns.

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Why not? Specifically tell me your reasons why cordial foreign relations with Russia isn't a good thing?

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Because their national strategic goals work counter to our own and they have been adamant in not shifting from them? So to form a completely cordial relationship would require turning a blind eye to actions that harm our own national interest.

Let me turn this around on you, why do we not seek completely cordial relationships with Iran or North Korea?

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Dude, that didn't really happen..

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Dude, find better outlets to get your "facts."

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If the NYT's and others are free to speculate on the facts regarding a phone conversation in response to Obama's sanctions, than I am free to speculate on the motives behind the sanctions. You can't deny that the Dems have been pushing this Russian conspiracy crap since election night, and you can't deny that Obama himself said there was nothing to it before the election. The Dems don't give a damn about the Russians, at least they didn't until they got their arse handed to them on election night. The only thing they care about is delegitimizating Trump. Trump is the target, not the Russians. Had Hillary won, there would be no Russian election stealing stories and there would be no Russian sanctions, because again the Dems don't give a damn about Russians.

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It wouldn't of mattered who won, sanctions would of come. Don't be silly.

Regardless of your political leanings, the Russian actions were escalatory actions of espionage that were going to be met with retaliatory measures and sanctions.

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Nobody excused anything.


Are you saying that the media reporting the PM of a European country dislikes Trump isn't the same?

I have 100% confidence that Trump can handle Putin.


Btw.. was it espionage for those countries speaking out against Trump? Maybe he should do what you all said he would.... Isolationism...

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Still waiting on those sources champ. You can waste an hour plus in poor attempts to troll but can't manage to gather up a single source to your earlier assertions.

Louisiana schools living up to their reputations.

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You mean like accusing the sitting president of backroom dealings with Russians to influence an election? You mean like the NYT writing articles accusing the DNT of offering easing of sanctions prior to being appointed in return for hacked emails or whatever the quid-pro-quo was supposed to be? And in the same article very clearly stating that there is no evidence of the accusations beyond a simple conversation with an ambassador, but that didn't stop them of send an alert tweet about Flynn's confirmed dealings with the Russians.

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No, I mean going off the deep end by substituting fact for conspiracy and evidence for speculation and treating it like fact.

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The Russian sanctions were also part of this large group of actions. Don't forget that the previous admin investigated and determined Russian involvement in the election process and then dropped sanctions on them in less than 2 months. They weren't hunting Russian involvement in the election, they were driving the Russians to Trump through the use of sanctions because they needed to connect the two.

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This is when you go off the ropes into conspiracy territory.

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The entire phony Russian narrative and the sanctions were a setup. The Obama admin knew full well that by imposing sanctions against Russia, the Russians would reach out to the new incoming Trump admin, and when they did, the previous admin was listening in. They were desperate to find a Trump/Russia connection to bolster their narrative that Trump wasn't legitimately elected. The Obama admin used sanctions to manipulate Russia into "establishing" such a connection. The problem is that the connection is not a legitimate connection in the sense the Russians and Trump were working in collusion. Its merely designed to give the appearance of a connection.

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Yes because installing sanctions on a government that was found by 17 intelligence agencies to be behind the hackings is such a ridiculous step to take. No it couldn't of been that simple, it has to be more nefarious. It had to be because they were trying to play Trump in a gotcha game.

But like i said, lets have a full congressional investigation into the Trump administrations ties to Russia, then you all can sit back and laugh if nothing comes out of it.

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The guy prevented russian retaliation against Obama pettiness before he had even officially been on the job. Sounds like he was perfect for the job

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If this could be proven, Flynn would probably be in a lot more trouble.

I think his saving grace right now is that the transcripts and investigation is not showing sound evidence that he offered a specific quid pro quo or promise. So it can not be determined more conclusively that the Russian's pivot of not expelling American ambassadors in retaliation was his influence.

I think this article needs clarification.

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A current U.S. intelligence official tells NPR's Mary Louise Kelly that there is no evidence of criminal wrongdoing in the transcripts of former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn's conversations with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak, although the official noted that doesn't rule out the possibility of illegal actions.

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The intelligence official who has personally seen the transcripts told Mary Louise they contained "no evidence" of criminal wrongdoing, although the official said it can't be definitively ruled out.

The official also said there was "absolutely nothing" in the transcripts that suggests Flynn was acting under instructions "or that the trail leads higher."

"I don't think [Flynn] knew he was doing anything wrong," the official said. "Flynn talked about sanctions, but no specific promises were made. Flynn was speaking more in general 'maybe we'll take a look at this going forward' terms."

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What the article suggests, from this intelligence officer, is that there is not evidence to prosecute him criminally but there may still be some illegal actions having taken place.That there is no evidence this was directed from higher-ups. That no specific promises were made but sanctions were discussed. And that Flynn was not aware this could be seen as wrong.

So in conclusion, this suggests the possibility of illegal actions may have taken place, but maybe not, that there is currently no evidence linking to Trump and that Flynn is probably a bit reckless and incompetent for these actions. For not knowing this would be considered as borderline illegal behavior.

Sounds like if you are a Trump supporter, Trump dodged a bullet by getting this guy out sooner then later. Politically though, this still won't look good since there were obvious signs this guy was not fit for this job in the first place.