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re: About the draft . . .
Posted on 3/27/16 at 1:33 pm to ShamelessPel
Posted on 3/27/16 at 1:33 pm to ShamelessPel
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I don't want a player you HAVE to run sets for to get him open looks like Redick or Korver.
Redick = 14'-15' Eric Gordon
Your comparison
Posted on 3/27/16 at 1:52 pm to Lester Earl
Based on what criteria? LOL.
Now you're just making blanket statements to support your argument. Even post-injury Gordon got to the rim more and didn't settle for dumb zone (16-3pt) looks. Redick takes 1/3 of his shots from that range. Gordon was also a ball handler on last year's squad at times. You're just making shite up now. If Hield can be a healthy version of 14-15 Gordon and finish at the rim more efficiently cause he has 2 good knees, I'll be thrilled.
Now you're just making blanket statements to support your argument. Even post-injury Gordon got to the rim more and didn't settle for dumb zone (16-3pt) looks. Redick takes 1/3 of his shots from that range. Gordon was also a ball handler on last year's squad at times. You're just making shite up now. If Hield can be a healthy version of 14-15 Gordon and finish at the rim more efficiently cause he has 2 good knees, I'll be thrilled.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 2:07 pm to TigerinATL
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That's literally the only column that matters because that's the only column he's above average in. So Hield shoots better than Crawford, that's going to get him more points, not more shots, and I already conceded that saying he might average 2-3 more points than Crawford.
This whole Crawford = Hield and in particular this line of logic is reductionist to the point of worthless.
You are beyond reaching with the Craford and Hield comparison. Comparisons tend to work better the more two players have in common, Crawford and Hield don't have a whole lot in common other then position. Crawford, from the moment scouts began analyzing him, has been pegged as a low efficiency, high volume shooter who loves long two's and less analytically optimal shots. And throughout his career has never shown the willingness to really expand his game the way Hield continues to do.
Frankly the problem with all of these attempts at comparison are the same that happened with Davis. Not that Hield is a transitional player but that you can't realy call him a clone or similar to any one player. People call him Redick but that kinda falls apart because Reddick was never as efficient a shooter or scorer and transition player and was and is more physically limited then Hield is.
But when you step back and just look at what Hield brings to the table as a prospect, for this team, he grades out pretty darn well.
This post was edited on 3/27/16 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 3/27/16 at 2:09 pm to NOLA Bronco
What does he brings? I'm not talking about leadership and fire actually skill set.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 2:17 pm to 504ByrdGang
I don't think you can discount the leadership and fire, especially on this team where our best crunch time option the past 2 years require Tyreke running the play. If Buddy had the swag and ability to be a closer that might make him special to the Pels.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 2:28 pm to TigerinATL
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I don't think you can discount the leadership and fire, especially on this team where our best crunch time option the past 2 years require Tyreke running the play. If Buddy had the swag and ability to be a closer that might make him special to the Pels.
That is true, it's why Blazers fans still say Lillard is better even if CJ puts out better production because he has "it". Another way to look at it is Kawhi doesn't and Draymond does but I would still take Kawhi over him.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 2:37 pm to ShamelessPel
Oh so wait, I can't use the comparison that Hield could be a more efficient version of Crawford, but now you to combine "get to the rim" Eric Gordon & 45% from 3 Eric Gordon and make this magical player that never existed?
Look I'm all for it, but don't go thrashing me over saying he could be a more efficient Crawford. Neither example truly exists but I think we can all use our imagination here.
As for 14-15' Gordon, clearly a player that lost some bounce & transitioned into mainly a 3pt threat. Not a good rim finisher this year.
So basically what you are telling me is you want a 40+ 3pt shooter that is able to play starter minutes on a playoff caliber team. That was Eric Gordon. For 1 year. That has been Redick for the last 3. Stop hating on Redick, you aren't making sense here.
If Gordon was as good of a shooter as Redick, you maybe would see him shoot 75% of his shots from your "dumb zone" as opposed to 60. Regardless, both are high numbers reserved for 3pt specialists.
You realize Redick doesn't have a dumb zone?
Look I'm all for it, but don't go thrashing me over saying he could be a more efficient Crawford. Neither example truly exists but I think we can all use our imagination here.
As for 14-15' Gordon, clearly a player that lost some bounce & transitioned into mainly a 3pt threat. Not a good rim finisher this year.
So basically what you are telling me is you want a 40+ 3pt shooter that is able to play starter minutes on a playoff caliber team. That was Eric Gordon. For 1 year. That has been Redick for the last 3. Stop hating on Redick, you aren't making sense here.
If Gordon was as good of a shooter as Redick, you maybe would see him shoot 75% of his shots from your "dumb zone" as opposed to 60. Regardless, both are high numbers reserved for 3pt specialists.
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Dumb zone (16-3pt)
You realize Redick doesn't have a dumb zone?
Posted on 3/27/16 at 2:48 pm to 504ByrdGang
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I think that's the funniest part. We are not saying Hield will be trash. We think he would be a guy who would put up 16-18/2/2 on 45/43/90 and play good team D but not a lockdown defender.
18.4/3.3/2.3 on 45/42/85
Those are Klay Thompson's NBA career averages and he falls somewhere between the Jamal Crawford and Curry/Harden NBA echelon.
I think the Hield fan boys are overestimating him, and the haters are underestimating him.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 2:51 pm to Epic Cajun
Klay is also one of the best defensive SG's if you think he will be too I would gladly take Heild.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 2:55 pm to 504ByrdGang
I was looking at it from an offensive perspective, more so than all around.
Saying a more efficient Jamal Crawford sounds worse than Klay Thompson with less defense. Are the people in the "more efficient Jamal Crawford" category saying that Hield will be as bad as Crawford on defense?
Saying a more efficient Jamal Crawford sounds worse than Klay Thompson with less defense. Are the people in the "more efficient Jamal Crawford" category saying that Hield will be as bad as Crawford on defense?
Posted on 3/27/16 at 2:59 pm to Epic Cajun
No, I think he would be a very capable team defender. Not a guy you would look to take on the hard defensiveness assignment. Jamal avgs around 18/2/3 on 41/36/85 a more efficient version is a guy doing it on 46/42/88 I don't see that as an insult.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 3:13 pm to 504ByrdGang
Lillard IS better than CJ though.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 3:13 pm to 504ByrdGang
Lillard IS better than CJ though.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 3:27 pm to theducks
This thread is getting silly. We need a third option who isn't a liability on defense and who doesn't play the same position as our best player while providing spacing for our 1st and 2nd option. If we can land a player like that in the draft, everyone should be ecstatic.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 3:43 pm to supe12sta12z
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This thread is getting silly. We need a third option who isn't a liability on defense and who doesn't play the same position as our best player while providing spacing for our 1st and 2nd option. If we can land a player like that in the draft, everyone should be ecstatic.
Luwawu or Brown
Posted on 3/27/16 at 4:09 pm to supe12sta12z
We are not getting heild. He's been lights out all season and turned it up a notch for the tournement. He will get picked by the Celtic or wolves and we will have atleast 1 of brown, Murray or Dunn available.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 4:12 pm to 504ByrdGang
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Brown
Can't shoot
Posted on 3/27/16 at 4:16 pm to Epic Cajun
I have no faith in our staff to develop a high ceiling/low floor guy.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 4:17 pm to Epic Cajun
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Can't shoot
Kawhi
Dray
Butler
PG
Westbrook
Lebron
couldn't shoot either. I don't understand why it's so hard to think the 18-19 year olds will some day get better.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 4:23 pm to 504ByrdGang
He shot 65% on FTs; maybe he really just can't shoot?
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