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re: About the draft . . .
Posted on 3/27/16 at 4:26 pm to Parallax
Posted on 3/27/16 at 4:26 pm to Parallax
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He shot 65% on FTs; maybe he really just can't shoot?
Lavine shot 69% and is shooting 40% from the 3 this year. I think Brown has huge bust potential but also has huge star potential. It's more about how bad do you want a star next to AD or just a player to help the team. Becaume I don't see us trading or getting a star in free agency anytime soon.
This post was edited on 3/27/16 at 4:28 pm
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Posted on 3/27/16 at 4:27 pm to 504ByrdGang
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Luwawu or Brown
Brown doesn't provide spacing. I don't think he has the huge star potential either. He can get to the basket in college and that's it. He has a developed body, but he doesn't have crazy length or coordination like a Giannis or anything.
This post was edited on 3/27/16 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 3/27/16 at 4:32 pm to 504ByrdGang
You'd want Brown over Murray? Or do you not think Murray will be available?
Posted on 3/27/16 at 4:33 pm to 504ByrdGang
I know almost nothing about any of these guys. With that caveat, if Jaylen Brown is there at 6, he has to be strongly considered.
Even with Browns well publicized flaws, Pels need bodies on the wing. They've still got Holiday and Evans- another ball dominant player in the mid lottery is no bueno if both guys are sticking around. Dropping $20M for Barnes or $16M for Bazemore isn't exactly inspiring or likely.
The better question is how quickly do they move the pick if Hield, the consensus most NBA ready prospect, isn't there?
ETA- I'm aware Evans/Holiday are expiring and taking a guy to replace them makes sense. I just don't see this organization taking Dunn or Murray for a redshirt year. And Brown is a project too
Even with Browns well publicized flaws, Pels need bodies on the wing. They've still got Holiday and Evans- another ball dominant player in the mid lottery is no bueno if both guys are sticking around. Dropping $20M for Barnes or $16M for Bazemore isn't exactly inspiring or likely.
The better question is how quickly do they move the pick if Hield, the consensus most NBA ready prospect, isn't there?
ETA- I'm aware Evans/Holiday are expiring and taking a guy to replace them makes sense. I just don't see this organization taking Dunn or Murray for a redshirt year. And Brown is a project too
This post was edited on 3/27/16 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 3/27/16 at 4:35 pm to NOFOX
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Brown doesn't provide spacing. I don't think he has the huge star potential either. He can get to the basket in college and that's it. He has a developed body, but he doesn't have crazy length or coordination like a Giannis or anything.
I swear this board would have passed on Lebron because he couldn't shoot. Shooting can be learned it has been by a ton of players. Have you forgotten the name Westbrick? But he has the body of Tyreke a little taller but is more explosive with around a 40 inch vert. He literally has a body to dominate the sg position. But like I said he lacks skills except for drawing contact and getting to the rim. He has a super high ceiling but also tremendously low floor. Also I'm not too woried about shooting I believe in our team with that part. Look how much they improved AD shot since his rookie year. Look how Tyreke first season it was a miracle when Tyreke made a jump shot and in the past 2 years have became semi respectable or even Dante who hadn't shot 3's his entire career.
This post was edited on 3/27/16 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 3/27/16 at 4:35 pm to 504ByrdGang
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who doesn't play the same position as our best player
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Jaylen Brown
Love his potential, but I really think the Pels need a guy with an outside shot. Banking on this guy to develop one is not really something I'm up for. Sounds like Aminu or JuJu all over again. Give me Buddy or Murray please
Posted on 3/27/16 at 4:39 pm to 504ByrdGang
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I swear this board would have passed on Lebron because he couldn't shoot.
Not true
I'd still pick Simmons one, because I feel like he can develop a shot but already has enough other skills to compensate if he doesn't.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 4:47 pm to 504ByrdGang
I bet you're glad Austin Rivers went to NOP instead of Lollard considering Lillard was a four year player at a no name school.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 4:48 pm to 504ByrdGang
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swear this board would have passed on Lebron because he couldn't shoot. Shooting can be learned it has been by a ton of players. Have you forgotten the name Westbrick? But he has the body of Tyreke a little taller but is more explosive with around a 40 inch vert. He literally has a body to dominate the sg position. But like I said he lacks skills except for drawing contact and getting to the rim. He has a super high ceiling but also tremendously low floor. Also I'm not too woried about shooting I believe in our team with that part. Look how much they improved AD shot since his rookie year. Look how Tyreke first season it was a miracle when Tyreke made a jump shot and in the past 2 years have became semi respectable or even Dante who hadn't shot 3's his entire career.
It's not just shooting. Tell me anything that Brown does well other than getting to the rim? He fouls too much, turns the ball over too much, and his steals are low especially for his athleticism. He's been pretty terrible at team defense. He doesn't pass well and continues jacking up 3's at a high rate despite averaging below 30% at times. He takes lots of 18ft pull up jumpers early in the clock with very poor success. Most of his shots are unassisted. He is terrible off ball on offense too. He doesn't play team ball and appears to have low Bball IQ. He also seems to do worse in big time games. You like him solely for his athleticism, but have you actually watched many of his games?
This post was edited on 3/27/16 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 3/27/16 at 4:55 pm to NOFOX
Didn't I just say he is has huge bust potential because he has no real skill? I agree with everything you said he's basicly like drafting Westbrook in 08. He wasn't good at anything but just had the body and athleticism to dominate if he did put it together.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 4:58 pm to 504ByrdGang
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Didn't I just say he is has huge bust potential because he has no real skill? I agree with everything you said he's basicly like drafting Westbrook in 08. He wasn't good at anything but just had the body and athleticism to dominate if he did put it together.
Not really. Westbrook demonstrated identifiable skills outside of athleticism including distributing the ball, good defense (steals) and IQ. He also had a midrange game and awesome work ethic. You are reaching.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 5:01 pm to corndeaux
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The better question is how quickly do they move the pick if Hield, the consensus most NBA ready prospect, isn't there?
I'm really starting to think we draft best available (maybe bender) and trade him if heild isn't available or if we don't get a top 2 pick
Posted on 3/27/16 at 5:13 pm to NOFOX
Westbrook barely played point and his skills were highly doubt to be able to player there and he can shoot at all he shot like 50% at the ft line.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 5:22 pm to 504ByrdGang
71% FT but shooting is besides the point. You are comparing Brown to Westbrook on shot and athleticism, but Westbrook displayed skills and intelligence well beyond what Brown has shown. Westbrook showed the ability to play team ball and be much more than just an ISO scorer.
Brown just seems much more like a Tyreke than a Westbrook. He can contribute because of his body and athleticism, but he doesn't seem to have the mental make up and skills to be a star in today's more team oriented game. I just see too high of a bust chance and poor fit for this team. I would rather gamble on Luwawu.
Brown just seems much more like a Tyreke than a Westbrook. He can contribute because of his body and athleticism, but he doesn't seem to have the mental make up and skills to be a star in today's more team oriented game. I just see too high of a bust chance and poor fit for this team. I would rather gamble on Luwawu.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 5:24 pm to NOFOX
I agree with you he's more likely to bust than become productive.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 5:29 pm to 504ByrdGang
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Kawhi
Poor 3pt shooter in both years, 76% FT shooter
Started his career in the NBA hitting 37.6%, finally made a big jump this year (4 years later) to hit 46.2%.
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Dray
4 year player, shot 38.8% from 3 his senior year.
4 years in the NBA, shooting 38% from 3 previously was 21->33->34
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Butler
34.5% 3pt shooter in college his jr year, 4 years into the league had a "breakout" year and hit 37.8% of his 3's. In year 5 (this year), hits 31.8%...below his career average
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PG
hit 45% of his 3pt shots (4.1 attemptss) his freshman year, 35.3% his soph year (5.8 attempts). rookie year 29.7%, ever since he's always hit 36-41%.
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Westbrook
still can't shoot, that isn't a good argument...
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Lebron
regressed since miami and has shown an athleticism that is second to none. he never needed to learn, he will need to lean on it as he gets older but he's perfectly capable without needing it now.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 5:33 pm to Lester Earl
these dudes know crawford is said to have some of the best handle in the NBA
this dude acts like he's camping beyond three and just launching all game, as if it were that easy to create a shot
this dude acts like he's camping beyond three and just launching all game, as if it were that easy to create a shot
Posted on 3/27/16 at 6:53 pm to GynoSandberg
Possible top 10 pick dejonte Murray is his protege
Posted on 3/27/16 at 8:49 pm to 504ByrdGang
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What does he brings? I'm not talking about leadership and fire actually skill set.
By challenging others to inform you about a player, you are indirectly conceding you don't actually know said things about that player.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 9:46 pm to GynoSandberg
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these dudes know crawford is said to have some of the best handle in the NBA
That's what im trying to say. The guy was highly skilled, he was just a streaky shooter. Hield is prob somewhere between Crawford and Redick, athletically.
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