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re: 2021 NBA Trade thread BREAKING: Bagley to Pistons in 4 team deal
Posted on 2/1/22 at 3:10 pm to Honest Man
Posted on 2/1/22 at 3:10 pm to Honest Man
quote:If true, why do I get the feeling it would simply be a minor trade (like Hayes for a couple of 2nd rounders). I hope not.
Expect Hayes to be sent to Portland soon folks.
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Posted on 2/1/22 at 3:33 pm to TechTiger
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That sucks because it would have been nice to see lineups with Zion, Hayes, Hart, Graham, and Murphy.
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I’m guessing this is the change that needs to happen though, and Hart’s contract was setup to do exactly this.
Yea there's no need to put any stock in his reports, he doesnt have any insider info.
Posted on 2/1/22 at 10:29 pm to eyeran
Finally read the Pincus article. This was interesting if true...
Also...
quote:We're buyers, but focused on next year.
According to sources close to the Pelicans, the team is heading into the deadline as a buyer focusing on the 2022-23 campaign. Zion Williamson, who has yet to play this year with a foot injury, is eligible for an extension this offseason. The team apparently views McCollum as the potentially ideal veteran scorer and leader to play alongside Brandon Ingram and Williamson.
Also...
quote:Thats why some of these offers people are coming up with, with multiple firsts + multiple rotation players is crazy.
Several executives view McCollum as a negative asset based on his salary ($100 million through 2023-24), size (6'3") and age (30). But that may be an opportunity for the Pelicans to add one of the league's best professional scorers at a diminished price.
Posted on 2/1/22 at 10:39 pm to eyeran
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We're buyers, but focused on next year.
Interesting. David Fisher has been kicking around trade packages for Sexton built around Graham with next year in mind. He calls it doing a S&T now rather than this summer.
Posted on 2/1/22 at 10:59 pm to TigerinATL
Yeah, Sexton was the first guy that came to mind.
He's kind of the perfect example of a buyer move at this deadline, that doesn't actually help you until next season. I'd definitely look into if I were Griffin. It clear he's not a long term fit with Garland.
Pincus also mentioned that Cleveland has their first round pick out there, for a combo guard.
He's kind of the perfect example of a buyer move at this deadline, that doesn't actually help you until next season. I'd definitely look into if I were Griffin. It clear he's not a long term fit with Garland.
Pincus also mentioned that Cleveland has their first round pick out there, for a combo guard.
Posted on 2/1/22 at 11:05 pm to TigerinATL
quote:That would be interesting.
Interesting. David Fisher has been kicking around trade packages for Sexton built around Graham with next year in mind. He calls it doing a S&T now rather than this summer.
Posted on 2/1/22 at 11:05 pm to eyeran
I wouldn’t mind Sexton. Can still semi tank, acquire Sexton, draft Sharpe, profit
Posted on 2/1/22 at 11:07 pm to NOSHAU
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That would be interesting.
Long term…Sexton would be a better fit for the team. Can be a lead guard at time, shoot well, and drive & assist.
Posted on 2/1/22 at 11:20 pm to TechTiger
quote:I agree he would be a better fit. However, what kind of contract will he command?
Long term…Sexton would be a better fit for the team. Can be a lead guard at time, shoot well, and drive & assist.
This post was edited on 2/1/22 at 11:21 pm
Posted on 2/1/22 at 11:29 pm to NOSHAU
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I agree he would be a better fit. However, what kind of contract will he command?
Probably less than CJ on the surface…I would assume something along the lines of what Lonzo got.
Also, it’s likely that both will be available in the offseason. So I think play for this deadline should be to use the TPE to take on a contract that makes sense going forward, and use Sato to take on a similar contract with more years added on.
This post was edited on 2/1/22 at 11:31 pm
Posted on 2/2/22 at 3:47 am to TigerinATL
As the resident Sexton lover. I was about to make that thread. I honestly had no idea other people were kicking it around.
But tbh, I’d prefer to keep Graham and let Graham play on the 2nd unit. Those 2 are tough to play together due to lack of size on defense, but we’d have 2 legit guards and only maybe need 1 more to have a competent overall backcourt. I was thinking more along the lines of trading them Temple, Kira, and some 2nds or a heavily protected first. I was willing to give up much more this offseason, but now Sexton is truly an expiring and injured right now.
Sexton
Graham
Ivey?
Alvarado
Can Hart count as a 2?
And the beautiful thing about doing a Sexton trade is that he can’t play right now. So we improve our talent, but we don’t hurt our draft slot this year.
I will say from a Cleve perspective they might want to be able to flip Sexton for someone that can play and help them in the playoffs so they very may well hold out for Hart or Graham and not be too excited about a Kira and picks package.
But tbh, I’d prefer to keep Graham and let Graham play on the 2nd unit. Those 2 are tough to play together due to lack of size on defense, but we’d have 2 legit guards and only maybe need 1 more to have a competent overall backcourt. I was thinking more along the lines of trading them Temple, Kira, and some 2nds or a heavily protected first. I was willing to give up much more this offseason, but now Sexton is truly an expiring and injured right now.
Sexton
Graham
Ivey?
Alvarado
Can Hart count as a 2?
And the beautiful thing about doing a Sexton trade is that he can’t play right now. So we improve our talent, but we don’t hurt our draft slot this year.
I will say from a Cleve perspective they might want to be able to flip Sexton for someone that can play and help them in the playoffs so they very may well hold out for Hart or Graham and not be too excited about a Kira and picks package.
This post was edited on 2/2/22 at 3:53 am
Posted on 2/2/22 at 6:15 am to NOSHAU
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However, what kind of contract will he command?
Probably not $30M+ like CJ
Posted on 2/2/22 at 7:36 am to SlowFlowPro
Pelicans notes from Jake Fischer’s latest column:
LINK
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League personnel say the Pacers are seeking a package similar to or greater than the haul Nikola Vucevic drew for the Orlando Magic last season. Only Sacramento, New Orleans and Washington have been linked by league personnel as Sabonis suitors with significant interest
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The Pelicans have become repeatedly linked to Rockets guard Eric Gordon. New Orleans has registered interest in various Trail Blazers, particularly Covington and CJ McCollum. The Pelicans are also said to be revisiting a trade package for Sacramento's Harrison Barnes that was discussed as a potential sign-and-trade for Josh Hart this past offseason.
LINK
Posted on 2/2/22 at 7:46 am to LesGeaux45
I don't feel I properly booed Eric Gordon when he was last here...Griff trying to remedy that?
Posted on 2/2/22 at 7:50 am to LesGeaux45
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The Pelicans have become repeatedly linked to Rockets guard Eric Gordon
If Griff wants to make sure the fans run him out of town...
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Harrison Barnes
I'm not saying Barnes wouldn't be an upgrade, but one area this team finally has a decent amount of talent at are big 2 way wings. I think Buddy would bring more to the team than Barnes, even though Barnes is the better player.
Sabonis and Barnes both seem like players that don't provide their full value to the Pels unless other players get moved. Although they could be pieces for bigger trades like the speculation of Sabonis for Fox.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 7:56 am to LesGeaux45
Depending on what would be going out, I'm not exactly against any of those trades
Perhaps the only time I've said it about Griff trade targets, but all of those make a sort of sense if they aren't overpays. Barnes though only really makes sense from a Hart for Barnes swap perspective, cause Barnes isn't really an ideal fit despite his talent and skillset
What I wouldn't be cool with is if we are giving up something like a first for 33 year old Gordon. If it's seconds and filler, sure, but I bet Hou is trying to get a late first and I would not be cool with that.
Perhaps the only time I've said it about Griff trade targets, but all of those make a sort of sense if they aren't overpays. Barnes though only really makes sense from a Hart for Barnes swap perspective, cause Barnes isn't really an ideal fit despite his talent and skillset
What I wouldn't be cool with is if we are giving up something like a first for 33 year old Gordon. If it's seconds and filler, sure, but I bet Hou is trying to get a late first and I would not be cool with that.
This post was edited on 2/2/22 at 7:58 am
Posted on 2/2/22 at 8:08 am to Bronc
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What I wouldn't be cool with is if we are giving up something like a first for 33 year old Gordon. If it's seconds and filler, sure, but I bet Hou is trying to get a late first and I would not be cool with that.
Yeah.
This deadline is so weird. Tons of teams trying to sell guys but demanding premium costs. If we overpay for a dump (Gordon, Barnes, Hield) I'm going to get mad.
Sabonis is an asset. Sexton would likely (depending on salary) be an asset. Fox is an asset.
CJ is kind of in the middle but if we do a godfather deal for him I'll lose it
Posted on 2/2/22 at 8:14 am to SlowFlowPro
Thats how I see it.
If we turn around and sell the player again next year, will you get the same value in return?
If no, it's a bad trade right now and reeks of desperation.
And shite like this:
"Rockets reportedly confident in Eric Gordon landing first-round draft pick"
LINK
And then hearing us in talks, makes me think we are potentially gonna be the sucker to over pay in a lost season to chase Griff's continued employment
If we turn around and sell the player again next year, will you get the same value in return?
If no, it's a bad trade right now and reeks of desperation.
And shite like this:
"Rockets reportedly confident in Eric Gordon landing first-round draft pick"
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Cleveland has repeatedly come up as a potential Gordon suitor, with a plausible package of this year’s first-round draft pick along with the salary of Ricky Rubio (injured) for matching purposes.
LINK
And then hearing us in talks, makes me think we are potentially gonna be the sucker to over pay in a lost season to chase Griff's continued employment
This post was edited on 2/2/22 at 8:17 am
Posted on 2/2/22 at 8:21 am to TechTiger
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We would be better served moving Sato for a bad contract that we can flip later.
This should be the only move we make at the trade deadline….
Posted on 2/2/22 at 8:22 am to LesGeaux45
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League personnel say the Pacers are seeking a package similar to or greater than the haul Nikola Vucevic drew for the Orlando Magic last season. Only Sacramento, New Orleans and Washington have been linked by league personnel as Sabonis suitors with significant interest
no thanks. I don't how Sabonis really helps us. he doesn't stretch the floor, and i don't think our 3rd best player should be a 5, it needs to be a 1 or 2.
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The Pelicans have become repeatedly linked to Rockets guard Eric Gordon.
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New Orleans has registered interest in various Trail Blazers, particularly Covington and CJ McCollum
Covington used to be one of the most underrated players in the league 5-6 years ago. Now he's been on a steady decline the last 2 years. Not that getting him means much b/c he's an expiring, but i have no interest in Covington for the future.
I would gladly take CJ, but i still think it takes Jax and 2 firsts to get him. and as i said before, i'm not worried as much about his age b/c of the style he plays. He's an elite shooter, especially catch and shoot, and he's still more than capable of getting his own shot when needed, and that's exactly what we need in our 3rd scorer. I think it's important we keep Graham as well, but not as a starter.
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The Pelicans are also said to be revisiting a trade package for Sacramento's Harrison Barnes that was discussed as a potential sign-and-trade for Josh Hart this past offseason.
39% 3 point shooter the last 4 years. good 3-4 defender. Would have loved to have him before Herb arrived. Right now, i'd say i'd rather Herb on the court than Barnes. I would always say add as many good long 3&D wings as you can, but with BI/Herb/Zion, if you add those wings they are going to be playing a backup role, so they can't be making $20m/yr. That $20m/yr or more guy needs to be at the guard position, more point guard, or at least someone who can create and help facilitate like McCollum could.
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