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re: 2021 NBA Trade thread BREAKING: Bagley to Pistons in 4 team deal
Posted on 1/31/22 at 3:44 pm to NOFOX
Posted on 1/31/22 at 3:44 pm to NOFOX
quote:I really want CJ, but that is just a bit too much for me as well.
That is a wild price for CJ. IF he really costs 2 firsts + Hart + prospect,
I'd do it for 1 first. In theory, I'd like to keep Hart and move Graham, but once you factor in the contract details of each, it's probably better to move out Hart.
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Posted on 1/31/22 at 4:02 pm to shel311
quote:
McCollum
im taking a run at him if im TDGM.
This post was edited on 1/31/22 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 1/31/22 at 4:05 pm to saints5021
Listening to Marc Stein on a chat and a couple of interesting tidbits
- He said he has no insight into the Pels, but said he has hear the McCollum rumors from others. He also said he thought the price would be higher than it's worth given CJ's contract and would probably only make sense to overpay if Zion was coming back.
- He told Lakers fans to brace themselves for nothing. He said it's to early to rule everything out, but he doesn't see anyone taking Westbrook and he also doesn't see them giving up the 2027 1st for any of the players that could get them.
- He had a similar message for Mavs fans, they don't have big salary pieces needed for a trade that other teams are currently interested in.
- OKC is $23 million below the floor. They would be 1st and maybe 2nd in line for taking on money for picks. Hopefully Griff finds a better use for the trade exception.
- He said he has no insight into the Pels, but said he has hear the McCollum rumors from others. He also said he thought the price would be higher than it's worth given CJ's contract and would probably only make sense to overpay if Zion was coming back.
- He told Lakers fans to brace themselves for nothing. He said it's to early to rule everything out, but he doesn't see anyone taking Westbrook and he also doesn't see them giving up the 2027 1st for any of the players that could get them.
- He had a similar message for Mavs fans, they don't have big salary pieces needed for a trade that other teams are currently interested in.
- OKC is $23 million below the floor. They would be 1st and maybe 2nd in line for taking on money for picks. Hopefully Griff finds a better use for the trade exception.
Posted on 1/31/22 at 4:07 pm to CelticDog
quote:First, we do not have our 2022 1st to trade. And in no scenario would I trade any unprotected 1sts for CJ. Any first would have to be protected at least top 10.
im taking a run at him if im TDGM.
he is so good that they would get to 9th at least and maybe 7-8.
if they win a couple in the real play offs everyone basks in the glory.
presumably zion will like it. maybe he even plays 8 or 10 games before the playins.
cj
ingram
jones
zion
jv
deal
pels first 2022. unprotected
2023 2nd unprotected
hayes.
kira. as is.
hart.
pupu platter of bench to add up to cj.
id keep tm3.
Posted on 1/31/22 at 4:22 pm to NOSHAU
quote:
First, we do not have our 2022 1st to trade.
ah.
pels keep only if 1 to 14.
its gone if 15 to 30.
so until end of season its not tradable.
until some one owns it.
Posted on 1/31/22 at 4:41 pm to TigerinATL
quote:I said it earlier, but I think part of the reason none of the national guys have had anything on the Pelicans is because it wouldn't even occur to them that an 18-31 team would by looking to buy.
- He said he has no insight into the Pels, but said he has hear the McCollum rumors from others. He also said he thought the price would be higher than it's worth given CJ's contract and would probably only make sense to overpay if Zion was coming back.
Even KOC, who usually has a decent read on our team was out of his mind today with Simmons, talking about Fox for Ingram trades. Anybody with even a tiny bit of understanding of this team would know there's zero chance of that ever happening.
Posted on 1/31/22 at 4:44 pm to CelticDog
The only thing we could trade this season is:
With the Lakers pick, we have traded to Memphis the rights to the pick if it falls 15-30. We still own the pick if it falls 1-14, and we can still trade those rights.
Those rights aren't worth a lot, because most people expect the Lakers to finish outside the bottom 10. But the Lakers are currently in the #12 slot today and the lotto odds would give it a 7% chance of hitting in the top 4. What's a 7% chance at a top-4 pick worth? I have no idea, but it's not nothing.
With the Lakers pick, we have traded to Memphis the rights to the pick if it falls 15-30. We still own the pick if it falls 1-14, and we can still trade those rights.
Those rights aren't worth a lot, because most people expect the Lakers to finish outside the bottom 10. But the Lakers are currently in the #12 slot today and the lotto odds would give it a 7% chance of hitting in the top 4. What's a 7% chance at a top-4 pick worth? I have no idea, but it's not nothing.
Posted on 1/31/22 at 5:07 pm to GOP_Tiger
It’s very weird that not even small/mid level deals have been made yet. Maybe teams are playing chicken right now lol.
This post was edited on 1/31/22 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 1/31/22 at 5:10 pm to Mad Scientist26
There’s been a couple. I remember Shamit saying he read 95% of all trade deadline deals gets made within the final hour or at least the final day
Posted on 1/31/22 at 5:32 pm to Macintosh
10 days is an eternity in this type of stuff
Posted on 1/31/22 at 6:42 pm to Mad Scientist26
quote:
It’s very weird that not even small/mid level deals have been made yet. Maybe teams are playing chicken right now lol.
Rondo to Cavs
Reddish to Knicks
Forbes/Bol/Juancho swaps
But yeah, essentially NBA GM's don't like to show their cards til the deadline.
Posted on 1/31/22 at 8:53 pm to TigerinATL
Hayes has played himself into "keeper" status, I'd think. So that leaves Sato, NAW, and probably Hart as the likely trade option players.
Graham has a more valuable skillset for this team, whereas Hart's skillset seems replaceable at this point.
Graham has a more valuable skillset for this team, whereas Hart's skillset seems replaceable at this point.
Posted on 1/31/22 at 8:55 pm to DLBalla
quote:not if he’s a piece that gives us a borderline all star or more
Hayes has played himself into "keeper" status,
Posted on 1/31/22 at 9:00 pm to DLBalla
quote:
Hayes has played himself into "keeper" status,
He still has all of the same flaws, they just finally played him in a way that minimized the flaws and allowed him to focus on his positives. If the team is prepared to keep playing him at PF then you keep him the rest of the year at least to raise his value, but if he's a PF and not a Center, he's not a starter for a healthy Pels team and probably has more value to another team long term.
Posted on 1/31/22 at 9:25 pm to eyeran
We're 18-32 now.
Management has to be realistic about what can/should be accomplished this season.
Management has to be realistic about what can/should be accomplished this season.
Posted on 1/31/22 at 9:35 pm to eyeran
quote:
We're 18-32 now. Management has to be realistic about what can/should be accomplished this season.
Playing to win in this instance is the 10th seed. Which would service our players more. This organization should not wait on another pick to develop. If healthy, that record is flipped. Which means you build depth and establish a culture.
Trey Murphy NAW and Hayes waiting on them.
Waiting on Zion to be healthy, this biggest factor.
We need more ready to play guys. And the guys here competing every night to win basketball games is important.
The teams forever in the lottery are there for a reason. I don’t want to be Sacarmento. Or Orlando.
Memphis had 2 seasons in the lottery and then bounced out it.
Go get Winslow or Kenard from the Clips if they become sellers. Trade most of the warchest for Beal, at this point.
Get some adults in the room and this team will thrive.
Like home court advantage thrive.
This post was edited on 1/31/22 at 9:35 pm
Posted on 1/31/22 at 9:48 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
quote:If "playing to win" is running the current roster + Zion out there and letting them battle for the tenth spot, i'm fine with that.
Playing to win in this instance is the 10th seed. Which would service our players more. This organization should not wait on another pick to develop. If healthy, that record is flipped. Which means you build depth and establish a culture.
If "playing to win" is mortgaging any of our future to chase after veterans in the 2nd half of their career, just for us to get embarrassed in the play in tourney, then thats incredibly dumb.
Posted on 1/31/22 at 9:58 pm to eyeran
I'm starting to agree. Would you rather make a trade and burn all your assets and bank on a guy like McCollum who is getting old or land a top 5 pick and get a guy like Ivey? I think the opportunity is there this season to land a top 5 pick with Williamson probably out until March at the earliest. Might as well shut him down.
Posted on 1/31/22 at 10:16 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
quote:ima be honest if we’re pushing for a 10 seed we don’t need to trade anyone. Portland and kings are tanking hard lately and are only going to get worse after the deadline when they attempt to dump their better players. Obviously we’re thinking long term here as well but Getting this 10 spot is not some difficult task considering how bad everyone else competing for it has been
Playing to win in this instance is the 10th seed.
This post was edited on 1/31/22 at 10:18 pm
Posted on 1/31/22 at 10:24 pm to supe12sta12z
quote:
burn all your assets and bank on a guy like McCollum who is getting old or land a top 5 pick and get a guy like Ivey
I don’t think I want a top 5 player. Like I said last year, I want role players. It’s easy to forget all things considered…but superstar rookies aren’t even the third option when our team is ready.
Now of course the counter is the team needs more top end depth, which is a fine stance.
I’m not rolling the dice with that. Chemistry matters .
This post was edited on 1/31/22 at 10:24 pm
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