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Posted on 8/14/21 at 10:28 am to Soggymoss
This is how you know that your team had a bad offseason:
"Bringing back Frank Jackson might be the Pistons best offseason signing"
"Bringing back Frank Jackson might be the Pistons best offseason signing"
Posted on 8/14/21 at 10:31 am to GOP_Tiger
Frankie hit over 40% of his 3’s last year baw.
I want to say the Pistons signed Olynk too, so I think the author just likes Frank lol.
I want to say the Pistons signed Olynk too, so I think the author just likes Frank lol.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 10:36 am to 3PieceSpicy
Which honestly just reminds me how careful we need to be with buying into the numbers of some players from last season.
Three point percentages were way up across the league because of empty stadiums and I wonder how many of those players bought themselves inflated contracts or roles that will come down to earth next season when they aren’t shooting in empty gyms and their hiccups in the mechanics are going to be more pronounced due to the added distractions.
Three point percentages were way up across the league because of empty stadiums and I wonder how many of those players bought themselves inflated contracts or roles that will come down to earth next season when they aren’t shooting in empty gyms and their hiccups in the mechanics are going to be more pronounced due to the added distractions.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 11:32 am to 3PieceSpicy
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Frankie hit over 40% of his 3’s last year baw.
Did he learn how to guard my grandmother?
Posted on 8/14/21 at 11:39 am to GOP_Tiger
No. I saw his stats when i read about his signing and it was like
9pts. 1 rebound. 1 assist.
All offense.
9pts. 1 rebound. 1 assist.
All offense.
This post was edited on 8/14/21 at 11:40 am
Posted on 8/14/21 at 3:18 pm to Chalkywhite84
Would have rather had Frank last season than Bledsoe.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 3:33 pm to Bronc
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Three point percentages were way up across the league because of empty stadiums and I wonder how many of those players bought themselves inflated contracts or roles that will come down to earth next season when they aren’t shooting in empty gyms and their hiccups in the mechanics are going to be more pronounced due to the added distractions
Good point. Read an article awhile back about this very thing. Ball was either first or second in the entire NBA that benefitted from this compared to the metrics used the season before.
Just another reason I think we made the right choice on him.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 8:30 pm to Townedrunkard
Ball does seem like the type of player that doesn't like conflict.
His other lamelo seems like the opposite.
His other lamelo seems like the opposite.
Posted on 8/15/21 at 7:16 pm to Chalkywhite84
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The Los Angeles Clippers are trading Patrick Beverley, Rajon Rondo and Daniel Oturu to the Memphis Grizzlies for guard Eric Bledsoe, sources tell ESPN.
Crazy because I swear Beverly just told Reggie that they were gonna run it back
Edit: found the tweet
Pat Bev Tweet to Reggie
This post was edited on 8/15/21 at 7:19 pm
Posted on 8/16/21 at 10:03 am to duyp
I'm not so sure anymore that we move Satoransky.
He had his media availability this morning. Don't think we've done that if we planned on trading him in a week.
Odds are Hart will be sent for a guy like Markannen or just brought back and we use MLE on someone like Millsap (if Crewz is to be believed we have an offer out)
He had his media availability this morning. Don't think we've done that if we planned on trading him in a week.
Odds are Hart will be sent for a guy like Markannen or just brought back and we use MLE on someone like Millsap (if Crewz is to be believed we have an offer out)
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:05 am to BallHawk
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Odds are Hart will be sent for a guy like Markannen or just brought back and we use MLE on someone like Millsap (if Crewz is to be believed we have an offer out)
we have 13 on the roster right now, not including Hart or Herb (or Wenyen).
We have about $102M in salaries with those 13, and if we are an over the cap team which is what everyone keeps saying, i assume that means we have to sign Josh Hart to a deal worth at least $10M. Whether we keep him or not is a different question, but he is assumed to be signed for something that gets us over the cap.
I think it's pretty obvious we are going to go a third straight off season without using the MLE. Last time we did was 2018 on Julius Randle. But this year is a little different in that we've filled out the roster with competent players for the most part.
Send out Hart and bring in Bertans, give Herb a roster spot and call it an offseason. It would be nice if we could send out Hart and bring back Love and a future 1st, but i don't think we can swing that uneven trade anymore.
At this point, i'd prefer to bring in someone that will net us a future 1st. We can afford to take on one bad contract right now, especially if that bad contract can play backup minutes and hit some 3's. Problem is there really aren't that many bad contracts out there right now, at least not bad enough on a team desperate enough at this moment to trade away a pick to move someone.
Bertans contract isn't nice, but the 4th year is an option year with only $5M guaranteed, and if he simply give us 20 minutes a night and knocks down 40%+ of his threes, i'm fine with that.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:12 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:Pretty sure we can use the MLE to make us go over the cap. So let's say we sign Herb to a guaranteed deal, which puts us at 103 and some change, we can use the full MLE of 9 mil and some change and end up just over the cap even if we don't sign Hart.
We have about $102M in salaries with those 13, and if we are an over the cap team which is what everyone keeps saying, i assume that means we have to sign Josh Hart to a deal worth at least $10M. Whether we keep him or not is a different question, but he is assumed to be signed for something that gets us over the cap.
I think it's pretty obvious we are going to go a third straight off season without using the MLE. Last time we did was 2018 on Julius Randle. But this year is a little different in that we've filled out the roster with competent players for the most part.
Not saying this is the ideal way to manage the situation, but it's a possibility.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:20 am to TeddyPadillac
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I think it's pretty obvious we are going to go a third straight off season without using the MLE. Last time we did was 2018 on Julius Randle
Didn’t we split the MLE the next year between Melli and someone else? I get what you’re saying though, that we don’t tend to use the full 9+ million to give to just one player. We definitely didn’t last year, but we couldn’t with Melli still on our books. I think there’s still a chance to use it this year, hopefully on a vet like Millsap or maybe even Wes Matthews
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:23 am to Epic Cajun
That's not how the MLE works.
You have to be over the cap to use the over the cap MLE ($9.5M). If you are under the cap, it's a 2/$10M MLE.
The reason we are an over the cap team right now is b/c of Hart's $10M cap hold. If he signs for less than that, like playing under this qualifying offer, then we aren't an over the cap team anymore.
You have to be over the cap to use the over the cap MLE ($9.5M). If you are under the cap, it's a 2/$10M MLE.
The reason we are an over the cap team right now is b/c of Hart's $10M cap hold. If he signs for less than that, like playing under this qualifying offer, then we aren't an over the cap team anymore.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:27 am to Baron
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Didn’t we split the MLE the next year between Melli and someone else?
we used the under the cap MLE to sign him, or as it's called, the room exception.
We've "used" the MLE to sign draft picks and 2nd rounders.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:55 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:I'm almost certain if the full MLE will put you over the cap, you can use it.
That's not how the MLE works.
You have to be over the cap to use the over the cap MLE ($9.5M). If you are under the cap, it's a 2/$10M MLE.
ETA: as long as we don't use cap space to sign anyone, we have the ability to use the full MLE. I'm almost certain that the TPE functions as a cap hold of sorts, and is also lost if you go under the cap and function as a cap space team. I'm trying to find the answer to these questions right now.
It's a bit more nuanced than you are making it out to be
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:00 pm to Epic Cajun
I thought if you signed a free agent with cap space, you were forced to use the Room Exception
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:02 pm to Pelefraan 1
quote:This is true, but we haven't used any cap space to sign free agents. We have been operating over the cap this entire offseason, and I'm almost certain that we don't have to keep Hart in order to use the full MLE, because the full MLE will keep us over the cap. Contrary to what TP just said.
I thought if you signed a free agent with cap space, you were forced to use the Room Exception
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:04 pm to Epic Cajun
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ETA: as long as we don't use cap space to sign anyone, we have the ability to use the full MLE. I'm almost certain that the TPE functions as a cap hold of sorts, and is also lost if you go under the cap and function as a cap space team. I'm trying to find the answer to these questions right now.
You have to renounce all of those exceptions before you can use cap space. So just holding onto those exceptions keeps you "over the cap". If they can use Bird Rights to sign Josh Hart to his QO and don't need free cap space to do it, then signing Hart cheap shouldn't make them "under the cap".
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