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Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:09 pm to
Posted by Pelefraan 1
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:09 pm to
Why would we not use Hart's Bird rights to sign him?
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:12 pm to
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You have to renounce all of those exceptions before you can use cap space. So just holding onto those exceptions keeps you "over the cap". If they can use Bird Rights to sign Josh Hart to his QO and don't need free cap space to do it, then signing Hart cheap shouldn't make them "under the cap".
This is my understanding as well.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:15 pm to
We would, I was responding in part to Teddy saying if we signed Hart to the QO that would put us under the cap. I'm saying it wouldn't because by holding onto exceptions you remain over the cap even if technically your payroll is under the cap.
Posted by Pelefraan 1
Member since Jan 2018
6706 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:17 pm to
Isn't it Hart's decision to sign the QO, or an actual new contract?
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:20 pm to
Yes, but we're talking about funding mechanisms for that contract, regardless of what he decides.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 12:20 pm
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
30321 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:20 pm to
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I'm almost certain if the full MLE will put you over the cap, you can use it.




After reading a bit, i think you're right. You can use the full MLE as long as you have cap space that's less than the exception.
So if you have less than $9M left in cap space, you can use the full MLE to go over the cap, and if you have less than $5M in cap space, you can use the room exception to go over the cap.

quote:

the team’s team salary is above the salary cap (or only below the salary cap by less than the amount of the exception) but below the tax level plus the tax apron at the time the exception is used (and at all times thereafter during that salary cap year); and
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:22 pm to
Cam Reddish is now represented by Klutch. I know some were interested in Reddish as a trade target, I would assume this kills the dream for a good many of you.

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Klutch Sports Group @KlutchSports · 14m

Welcome @camreddish! #Klutch
Posted by Macintosh
Lane State University
Member since Sep 2011
56544 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:25 pm to
Bullet dodged
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:26 pm to
He's pulling a Lonzo.
Posted by Pelefraan 1
Member since Jan 2018
6706 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:27 pm to
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After reading a bit, i think you're right. You can use the full MLE as long as you have cap space that's less than the exception.


You just have to be the full MLE under the luxury tax line to use the full MLE. Not the actual salary cap line

Actually, you're right as well. I think.

My point is, you don't need cap space less than the MLE to use it as the only criteria. You can be an over the cap team and still use the full MLE. You just can't head into tax territory using the full NT MLE
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 12:33 pm
Posted by Macintosh
Lane State University
Member since Sep 2011
56544 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:32 pm to
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He's pulling a Lonzo.

yup and I don’t see how he’s gonna get more playing time in Atlanta with Huerter, Hunter, and Bogdon on the court.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 12:32 pm
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
30321 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:56 pm to
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My point is, you don't need cap space less than the MLE to use it as the only criteria. You can be an over the cap team and still use the full MLE. You just can't head into tax territory using the full NT MLE



correct, i was just clarifying how you can use it when under the cap.
Posted by duyp
Member since May 2011
3382 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 8:31 am to
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Charlotte Hornets guard Terry Rozier has agreed to a four-year, $97 million max contract extension, his agent Aaron Turner of @VerusTeam told @TheAthletic @Stadium. The guaranteed deal takes Rozier through the 2025-26 season.


Makes Graham even more of a bargain
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
30321 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 8:37 am to
and that just further proves, on top of drafting Bouknight, why they were never going to match any offer for Graham.
Posted by tgr4ever
Gwinnett, baw
Member since Jul 2011
16214 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 8:37 am to
Jeez. I know Rozier was good last season but paying him 24 million/year just doesnt move the needle for me
Posted by SCP
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2016
1337 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 11:17 am to
Here are some 538 Raptor ratings of selected Hornets and Pels guards last season. The numbers in order are Total offense, total defense, Combined offense and defense, and WAR.

Graham +1.8/+0.6/+2.4/4.3
Rozier +2.7/-1.2/+1.6/5.2
Lamelo +1.2/-0.9/+0.3/2.3
Lonzo +1.4/+0.4/+1.8/4.1
Bledsoe -0.4/-1.8/-2.2/0.6
NAW -1.3/+0.7/-0.6/1.1

Graham seems like a salary bargain for his potential value. Rozier would appear to provide a lot of offense, but is a big negative on defense at a high salary. Bledsoe really sucked last year as we all know. NAW really needs to pick it up this year.

Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13726 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 11:20 am to
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Scott Kushner
@ScottDKushner
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Per
@TimBontemps
: A panel of 10 scouts/execs surveyed had the Pelicans' offseason tied as the worst move(s) of the offseason.

In here: "They're a sinking ship and reaching for a life preserver that just isn't going to help," a West executive said.
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New ESPN story: Who is the NBA’s best player? What were the best and worst moves of the offseason? Who is going to win the title next season? We posed those questions, and more, to scouts and executives around the league as the offseason winds down: LINK


How sad. Hope Griffin is able to say "I told you so" at some point.
This post was edited on 8/19/21 at 11:38 am
Posted by aswemajor
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2011
1731 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 11:32 am to
Yeah I think those executives forgot we got Zion and BI, upgraded starters at both PG and C, fired our woke Walrus coach, got the steal of the draft w Murphy, and all our young guys are improving
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 11:37 am to
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How sad.


It's not as bad as it looks on the surface. He asked a panel of 10 and 3 of the 10 voted that the entirety of the Pels offseason was the worst move of the offseason.

That's just 30% that feel the Pels had the worst offseason. It's not great, it's just vastly overstated if you don't look at the numbers, like a New York Times Best Seller award.

I also think most of the people judging the Pels didn't watch them play enough to see that even if the Pels NBA 2k team talent level didn't change, the fit has done a 180. The Pels will play much better than people are expecting and Willie Green is going to get more credit than he deserves. He will deserve some of it, but people will give it all to him because they don't think the talent improved.

"They dumped Lonzo, and Bledsoe is playing good for the Clippers, and Valanciunas is a traditional big like Adams. It doesn't make sense unless Willie's a great coach."

But the biggest reason for the improved play will be that Griff/Langdon built a much better roster this year, and shifted the focus/goal of the team back to it's offensive strengths and away from the defense only focus they had with SVG.
Posted by SLafourche07
Member since Feb 2008
10054 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 11:38 am to
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and that just further proves, on top of drafting Bouknight, why they were never going to match any offer for Graham.




Or it further proves that we got a hell of a deal on Graham and we were willing to give up a little bit higher in compensation to make sure the deal didn’t fall through.
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