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re: 2021 NBA Free Agency
Posted on 8/10/21 at 12:30 pm to supe12sta12z
Posted on 8/10/21 at 12:30 pm to supe12sta12z
What are y’all’s thoughts on what will happen with Hart? Seems like Buddy and Lauri probably aren’t going to happen at this point yeah?
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Posted on 8/10/21 at 12:32 pm to supe12sta12z
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With the way the roster is currently lined up, I doubt you see any moves prior to the transaction involving Hart.
he's currently unsigned..."something" has to happen
Posted on 8/10/21 at 12:37 pm to cgrand
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he's currently unsigned..."something" has to happen
The fact that is isn't signed right now must mean they are still in talks with trading him I would think.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 12:39 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Seems weird he'd be with the team in Vegas if they were going to trade him.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 12:41 pm to ghost2most
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Seems weird he'd be with the team in Vegas if they were going to trade him.
I don't think it's a sure thing he does get traded. I think they are still keeping their options open though. I'm sure they wouldn't mind bringing him back at all, but they want to make sure they can't upgrade first before doing so.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 12:45 pm to supe12sta12z
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With the way the roster is currently lined up, I doubt you see any moves prior to the transaction involving Hart.
We only have one empty roster spot, and we still have Herb Jones unsigned, and I think that yesterday's signing of Hommes to the two-way contract means that Herb is getting a regular deal.
Josh Hart has a qualifying offer that he has until October 1st to accept. If he takes it, or if we move him in a S&T, then we have to waive Wenyen.
There's no room for anyone else. I suppose, at this point, we could end Hommes two-way contract and give that contract to Herb Jones, but that just seems unlikely.
So, yeah, I don't us signing any more free agents.
This post was edited on 8/10/21 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 8/10/21 at 12:59 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Josh Hart has a qualifying offer that he has until October 1st to accept. If he takes it, or if we move him in a S&T, then we have to waive Wenyen.
There's no room for anyone else. I suppose, at this point, we could end Hommes two-way contract and give that contract to Herb Jones, but that just seems unlikely.
and if they hope to use the TPE at the deadline, they'll need to move at least one other player as well (on a standard contract, not a 2-way)
Posted on 8/10/21 at 1:02 pm to GOP_Tiger
At this point it looks like the most likely option is that we just bring Hart back and cut Wenyen. Leaves us weak at PF, but we'll probably just play Hart and/or Trey there.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 1:04 pm to ghost2most
Following the summer league account, there are tons of players in Vegas. Supposedly they run some competitive pick up games out there. And there is a Top Shot deal at the summer league, Hart is big into that shite. I would not read much into him being there “with the team”
Posted on 8/10/21 at 1:09 pm to GynoSandberg
he and his agent can also be fishing for a deal there as well.
coaches/players/GM's all in attendance
coaches/players/GM's all in attendance
Posted on 8/10/21 at 1:14 pm to GOP_Tiger
I feel like they told josh hart that's the deal to take it or leave it.
Him and his agent are trying to find a trade.
Him and his agent are trying to find a trade.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 1:21 pm to Chalkywhite84
hart on the 1-year QO is a lose/lose/lose for the team.
1) hart will feel unappreciated
2) he will have a full no trade clause until the end of the league year
3) he will be an unrestricted FA once it expires and can leave for nothing
1) hart will feel unappreciated
2) he will have a full no trade clause until the end of the league year
3) he will be an unrestricted FA once it expires and can leave for nothing
Posted on 8/10/21 at 2:08 pm to cgrand
Hart just took Pels off his Instagram. Holding out hope for. Hield swap…
Posted on 8/10/21 at 2:12 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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Hart just took Pels off his Instagram. Holding out hope for. Hield swap…
Players do this when they aren't "under contract".
I wouldn't read too much into it until something happens.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 2:12 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
Hmmm, maybe someone has an offer for him and we can get a small TPE and pick.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 2:13 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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Hart just took Pels off his Instagram. Holding out hope for. Hield swap…
It's still on his twitter and he just tweeted a few minutes ago.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 2:19 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
We really need another PF more than we need Hield.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 2:54 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
quote:Not sure how we would do a Hield swap unless a 3 team trade.
Hart just took Pels off his Instagram. Holding out hope for. Hield swap…
At this point, makes sense just to sign him as I do not see us getting more than a TPE and a 2nd in a trade.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 3:10 pm to NOSHAU
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Not sure how we would do a Hield swap unless a 3 team trade.
a good explainer
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From a logistical perspective, although the Adams-Bledsoe-Valanciunas swap has already been consummated, the Pelicans and the Kings still have multiple paths of completion in front of them, although they may require a bit of patience and salary cap maneuvering from both sides. Salary-matching is the number challenge in any sign-and-trade, and this theoretical deal is no exception. Josh Hart would be subject to the Base Year Compensation rule, which would factor his incoming and outgoing salary differently for each team.
For the Kings, he would simply count as his new salary. However, for the Pelicans, Hart's exiting number would either be equal to 50% of his first-year compensation, or his previous season's salary, whichever was greater. Assuming that Sacramento offers a contract slightly higher than the standard mid-level exception, let's say $12 million annually on a three-year deal, Hart's salary would be represented as $12 million for the Kings and $6 million (half of his new deal) for the Pelicans.
A one-to-one salary swap clearly isn't feasible in that situation, as Hield's cap hold is over $23 million. The Pelicans only path toward salary-matching would be to include the recently acquired Tomas Satoransky, who was a part of the Pelicans sign-and-trade a few days ago, adding another layer of complication to the deal. Normally, teams are forced to wait two months to aggregate recently acquired players in another trade, but the league's shortened offseason has also shortened that wait time, down to 19 days. The Kings and the Pelicans could agree to the terms of the deal and then wait the subsequent timeframe to officially close the trade.
The inclusion of Satoransky would still leave the Pelicans slightly short of matching contracts, as their incoming and outgoing salaries need to fall within $5 million, plus $100,000, of one another. Satoranskey and a signed-and-traded Hart would only account for approximately $16 million, compared to a little over $23 million for Hield. The easy solution is for New Orleans to also throw in former King Wenyen Gabriel, who's owed $1.7 million next season. All of those combined salaries would still leave a small gap of a few hundred thousand dollars that would need to be accounted for, but the Kings could either slightly increase Hart's initial salary, or they could write in his new contracts as de-escalating, which would push his first-year salary to about $12.8 million, more than enough to cover any gap.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 3:47 pm to cgrand
quote:Where is that from? This is the first I have heard of the aggregation time period being reduced to only 19 days. Good to know.
a good explainer
quote:
From a logistical perspective, although the Adams-Bledsoe-Valanciunas swap has already been consummated, the Pelicans and the Kings still have multiple paths of completion in front of them, although they may require a bit of patience and salary cap maneuvering from both sides. Salary-matching is the number challenge in any sign-and-trade, and this theoretical deal is no exception. Josh Hart would be subject to the Base Year Compensation rule, which would factor his incoming and outgoing salary differently for each team.
For the Kings, he would simply count as his new salary. However, for the Pelicans, Hart's exiting number would either be equal to 50% of his first-year compensation, or his previous season's salary, whichever was greater. Assuming that Sacramento offers a contract slightly higher than the standard mid-level exception, let's say $12 million annually on a three-year deal, Hart's salary would be represented as $12 million for the Kings and $6 million (half of his new deal) for the Pelicans.
A one-to-one salary swap clearly isn't feasible in that situation, as Hield's cap hold is over $23 million. The Pelicans only path toward salary-matching would be to include the recently acquired Tomas Satoransky, who was a part of the Pelicans sign-and-trade a few days ago, adding another layer of complication to the deal. Normally, teams are forced to wait two months to aggregate recently acquired players in another trade, but the league's shortened offseason has also shortened that wait time, down to 19 days. The Kings and the Pelicans could agree to the terms of the deal and then wait the subsequent timeframe to officially close the trade.
The inclusion of Satoransky would still leave the Pelicans slightly short of matching contracts, as their incoming and outgoing salaries need to fall within $5 million, plus $100,000, of one another. Satoranskey and a signed-and-traded Hart would only account for approximately $16 million, compared to a little over $23 million for Hield. The easy solution is for New Orleans to also throw in former King Wenyen Gabriel, who's owed $1.7 million next season. All of those combined salaries would still leave a small gap of a few hundred thousand dollars that would need to be accounted for, but the Kings could either slightly increase Hart's initial salary, or they could write in his new contracts as de-escalating, which would push his first-year salary to about $12.8 million, more than enough to cover any gap.
However, you would think that if we had planned that, we would have done it before finalizing the Bulls or Grizzlies trades.
This post was edited on 8/10/21 at 3:49 pm
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