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re: 1st round pick to Charlotte turns to 2nds if not conveyed
Posted on 8/7/21 at 11:49 am to Bronc
Posted on 8/7/21 at 11:49 am to Bronc
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Mr. “Steven Adam’s is a steal and great deal, would get 25 million on the open market this season” trying to lecture on good offseason judgement
I’m trying to remember the poster that kept arguing he was a top 5 center lmao. Although most of y’all agreed he was ‘top 10’
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Posted on 8/7/21 at 11:51 am to 3PieceSpicy
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Come on Sogs, you know we failed this free agency period pretty badly
Can it really be called a failure when you got rid of 1 contract that was horrible and the other one that was neutral, and in return got a center that fits alot better along with a guard the fits like a glove? Could we have done better? Maybe not. You cannot force guys to take a contract with you, and you cannot force teams to trade a guy to you.
This offseason has gone the best it possibly could with the circumstances. If Zion and BI were out there trying to recruit players, maybe we land Powell, or Lowry or CP3.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 11:55 am to Townedrunkard
That was me, but people wanted to clump pure centers in with every person that plays even a minute of their time at the 5.
Now, after last season, I will no longer make that argument, but he's still top 10ish (8-13)
Now, after last season, I will no longer make that argument, but he's still top 10ish (8-13)
This post was edited on 8/7/21 at 11:57 am
Posted on 8/7/21 at 12:00 pm to Soggymoss
Did the FO have a solid plan? Yes.
Was this a difficult market to navigate? Yes.
Did they navigate it well? No.
Aren’t they paid the big bucks to do that? Yes.
They should have known in advance how hostile the market would be and then they could have scaled back their plans and gotten the same net result for less. Even if you think the team is better, they failed to execute their own plan. That’s a failure.
Was this a difficult market to navigate? Yes.
Did they navigate it well? No.
Aren’t they paid the big bucks to do that? Yes.
They should have known in advance how hostile the market would be and then they could have scaled back their plans and gotten the same net result for less. Even if you think the team is better, they failed to execute their own plan. That’s a failure.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 12:01 pm to Soggymoss
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Well considering some people thought he would get 12, big difference between that and 17.5.... Guess you have a short memory and forgot how Asik fell apart and how hard he was to trade making half that amount. And his deal was franchise altering....
I said he shouldve been paid in the 10-12 million range. Not sure he would even get that after this last year.
This is what I posted in that thread. Funny didn’t get one up vote, but he ended up breaking down just like Asik towards the end….
Griff has so many extra assets at his disposal due to being gifted Jrue and Ad already on the roster, so his errors are able to be covered more easily than Demps.
This post was edited on 8/7/21 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 8/7/21 at 12:07 pm to Townedrunkard
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Griff has so many extra assets at his disposal due to being gifted Jrue and Ad already on the roster, so his errors are able to be covered more easily than Demps.
He set the market on trading away “stars”, though.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 12:07 pm to TigerinATL
You can't blame then, no front office thinks guys will turn down more money to go elsewhere. You can't judge that part of it, you can only judge on if they're interested in signing with you.
It definitely could have gone alot better, but it also could have gone alot worse.
It definitely could have gone alot better, but it also could have gone alot worse.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 12:15 pm to TigerinATL
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They should have known in advance how hostile the market would be and then they could have scaled back their plans and gotten the same net result for less. Even if you think the team is better, they failed to execute their own plan. That’s a failure.
This pretty much nails it. Griff is wasting time chasing CP3 and Lowry and everyone with half a brain knew where they were going. He’s getting paid millions because of his contacts with agents and other front office people but totally botched this free agency on his ‘wing and a prayer’ used car salesman style and he looks completely loss when they buy their car elsewhere and he’s left scrambling…..
This post was edited on 8/7/21 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 8/7/21 at 12:15 pm to Soggymoss
quote:Every front office should have a backup plan. They rarely know what other teams are offering. They cannot go in with one plan and just assume it will all go as planned. It was a very weak free agent group. My disappointment is how they were not able to pivot to adding a player in the Memphis trade that could help this team. Heck, Memphis practically dumped Grayson Allen. I think he could have helped and we could have found a way to get him into the trade. Maybe they were more focused on creating the larger TPE instead. At least they did not commit big money to bad players again.
You can't blame then, no front office thinks guys will turn down more money to go elsewhere. You can't judge that part of it, you can only judge on if they're interested in signing with you.
It definitely could have gone alot better, but it also could have gone alot worse.
This post was edited on 8/7/21 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 8/7/21 at 12:20 pm to Soggymoss
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You can't blame then, no front office thinks guys will turn down more money to go elsewhere.
The problem was they kept trying to sell guys on taking a step down to a non playoff team. There's a reason everyone turned them down and the team needs to be self aware enough to know this and not spend as much time trying to speak out of your league deals into existence.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 12:35 pm to TigerinATL
Exactly, its why I said it was a waste of time and just plain stupid to chase Lowry. Made no sense for where we are as an organization. After the Adams trade last year and his willingness to give 3/100 or whatever to Lowry, I don’t have much faith in Griff.
He should’ve been targeting young vets with higher ceilings from the beginning. Now the perception of the franchise is that of a failure b/c he let it be known he was going big game hunting.
I think he did get a solid one in Graham, but should have added at least one more. Even getting Lauri added in the Ball trade would be a win as long as the salary isn’t to bad at this point.
He should’ve been targeting young vets with higher ceilings from the beginning. Now the perception of the franchise is that of a failure b/c he let it be known he was going big game hunting.
I think he did get a solid one in Graham, but should have added at least one more. Even getting Lauri added in the Ball trade would be a win as long as the salary isn’t to bad at this point.
This post was edited on 8/7/21 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 8/7/21 at 12:37 pm to Epic Cajun
To Bronc’s defense it was a pretty blasphemous comment even then. And of course Soggy tried to deny, so props to Bronc for saving the receipt.
I’ll personally admit I thought Adams was going to be solid, but I think I was among the first off of his wagon. It took a lot of people 6 months to agree that he sucked.
I’ll personally admit I thought Adams was going to be solid, but I think I was among the first off of his wagon. It took a lot of people 6 months to agree that he sucked.
This post was edited on 8/7/21 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 8/7/21 at 12:38 pm to Bronc
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I genuinely hate this time of the year because people around here are so incapable of seeing reality
Man I totally respect the substance of your opinions on here but you are legit obnoxious right now. We get it that you’re one of the few NBA educated posters on here. But you’re killing us with these broken record “this time of year on this board” stuff. We get it
This post was edited on 8/7/21 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 8/7/21 at 1:00 pm to shel311
Hornets weren’t going to pay that much for a backup point guard.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 2:36 pm to Bronc
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Good teams find good players if they are good teams. Toronto, Miami, Memphis, Milwaukee, Denver, they all seem to find good talent all throughout the draft. So to claim they aren’t valuable if just rationalization run amok.
Same people that a week ago, and couple years before that, that were praising Griff for moving back because he could still get equal value now trying to claim those picks are worthless when Griff sells them off.
Good point.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 2:59 pm to Mulkey Man
quote:Possibly, but that's very different from not being able to afford him.
Hornets weren’t going to pay that much for a backup point guard.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 3:00 pm to Mulkey Man
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Hornets weren’t going to pay that much for a backup point guard.
Starter salaries for non-rookie contract players are typically around 15 mil. 11 mil is high end backup money, basically barely over the MLE.
ETA: they would’ve done it to keep the asset. It’s very movable.
This post was edited on 8/7/21 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 8/7/21 at 3:03 pm to Bronc
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But with some of the variables and unknowns, it could potentially be a pretty bad season.
hayes was supposed to play summer league. hes not on the roster.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 3:18 pm to CelticDog
Is this a fact or an opinion? Why was Hayes supposed to be in the SL roster but not NAW?
Posted on 8/7/21 at 3:25 pm to SaintTigerPel
Griffin had said Hayes would be on the SL team
NAW was playing for Canada in the qualifiers, he may be on break. And he’s 23, not sure SL benefits him any longer. It’s put up or shut up time
NAW was playing for Canada in the qualifiers, he may be on break. And he’s 23, not sure SL benefits him any longer. It’s put up or shut up time
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