re: Widow’s Bay (AppleTV) Discussion *Renewed for S2, all S1 episodes now streaming*

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I think it has to be in the dungeon

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I look at it as the island is almost a living entity and it wants and needs sacrifices...or basically, to feed. So the cellar doors in the basement are quite literally its mouth/where it feeds (similar to The Borderlands movie).

So that's why people dying on the island don't satisfy the island's hunger, so to speak.

I still don't get the Boogeyman/Sea Hag things though. I realize the Boogeyman was the name for a serial killer, but they made it seem like the Sea Hag was basically a fictional character. But then both are manifested in real life to wreak havoc...as we saw the Boogeyman really exist again and kill, and the Sea Hag had to be shot by Wyck (meaning she was physically real).

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The whole Ruth visit was writing gold! She wasn't the doddering bumbler with possible early onset dementia we met earlier, she was spry, sharp and about as nice and kind a person has there could be. They really cranked up the angst of Tom's choice to comedic levels, but the dryness of it was a good balance to the constant new discoveries about how sweet and wonderful a person he is planning to murder.

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I thought the jump to straight up murdering Ruth was an odd one to take from Tom. I get that you want to save the island and its people, but you don't even know if it's true that killing her would do it. I can see someone like Patricia or Wyck buying fully into that, but not Tom. It just felt sort of forced.

But that being said, that's what made their interactions at her house so awesome.

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Tom changes his mind was giving you just the right feels when the gun goes off to startled the frick out of you.

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The gun shot legit startled me to the point that my body sort of jolted on my couch. It caught me WAY off guard. Very well done.

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The basement videos and Dale's reaction (right at the WORST time ) were great. The whole finding the ladder and going into the caves story was interesting. I kept expecting the chair to capture one of the kids if they sat in it long enough.

Speaking of the videos, when did they stop? How is it that the remaining residents don't know about the sacrifices? Were they kept ultra secretive or is there some other thing at play which caused them to forget?

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I definitely thought they were setting us up for one of the kids to die in the electric chair when they sat in it at the same time as some dude in the basement was messing with the electric panel and seemed to turn it on.

I do agree with whoever it was that said it seems weird that nobody knows about the tunnels/basement shite/cult videos though. That stuff isn't exactly locked away or hidden very well. The videos were in a closet and Dale found them fairly easily, and the ladder heading into the tunnels was behind a door with a window. Just seems like things that would easily have been found, even accidentally, in the course of several decades of people in town hall, kids snooping around, etc.

I almost hope they give us some throwaway line next season about that. Like maybe certain people knew about it but kept it quiet/hidden like you said. Or maybe Tom knows because that information has been passed down to each mayor or something (although that seems like it would've come out this season and his actions would've been different?).

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When Ruth was flipping through the photo album, she mentioned her first job at the mayor’s office. The mayor at the time was Howard the Coward. I think he refused to do the sacrifices and the knowledge passed down to the mayors ended with him. I think there are residents that secretly know.

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I had completely glossed over that! There may be a whole gold mine in her ramblings. Good catch!

That reminds me...

"He made a pass at me. He made a pass at me."

Tom references the preacher in the picture with her and the nun, she says he didn't make a pass at her but then remembers that he did... and that the nun did too.

All the intriguing gold that Ruth was spilling as they looked through photos. Tom just sits and doesn't question any of it. It was humorous but then you're thinking wait....You have got to start asking questions Tom.
It is like Ruth is oblivious to the oddness of the tragedies and just writes it off as "Life happens".

Bard brings up about why don't people of the town remember the sacrifices, which I'm guessing the videos were from the 70's. The old people of the town would've been teens and were the parents keeping this from them so they don't know what actually was happening?

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Tom's motivation is Evan. He wants to repair his relationship and the only way to do that is to honor his pledge to take Evan to the mainland. Ergo, Ruth must die.

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Have you watched the finale? I don't want to spoil it if you haven't.

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When Ruth was flipping through the photo album, she mentioned her first job at the mayor’s office. The mayor at the time was Howard the Coward. I think he refused to do the sacrifices and the knowledge passed down to the mayors ended with him. I think there are residents that secretly know.

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I’m convinced Rosemary has a good idea of what’s going on and that’s why she’s so nonchalant about it. It makes me wonder if the people who walked into the water after Patricia’s cult shindig would’ve counted as sacrifices and that’s why she’s wasn’t in a big rush to stop anything.

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I was just addressing the question of why Tom was so quick to go murderguy on Ruth.

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I think it was a simple as Ruth has lived a long, full life and his kid’s life is at stake.

Never underestimate what a parent will do for their kid.

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Same with the sheriff, although slightly less so I guess.

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Dude that shot her in the head is somehow less culpable than the guy who slipped her a mickey?

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Not less culpable. Just less of a planned, first degree murder. Plus, I assume he could always say he didn't know what was going on, she was attacking Tom, etc.

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Patricia, presumably, filled him in at the shelter when asked. His child's birth is imminent.

He damned sure went to Ruth's to kill her.

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Not less culpable. Just less of a planned, first degree murder.

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It was definitely first degree murder. He went there with intentions of killing her.

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I agree, I don't think they really set him up to be a murderer.

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They didn't set him up to be a murderer and that was the point. They set him up to feel the responsibility of all the tourists on the island. "There are whole families here"

He felt responsible and he felt that he owed it to them to save them.

Loftis going through Ruth's medical files and hoping for a cancer diagnosis showed that he was looking for any reason to make it more justifiable, which made her being so healthy and spry so funny. Loftis was miserable in what he was having to do. Its why the bit about the tea taking 27 minutes to was so funny.