re: Westworld S2 E7: Les Écorchés

speaking of lying, does anyone think Bernard lied for Charlotte when giving the Sector 16 Zone 4 location to Strand?

i thought he had given her the real location (when we can't hear through the glass) and then they lied to Strand and co, but when lipreading, it sure seems like he gave them the same thing he gave Charlotte. Strange

That was an odd scene. It makes you question what he told her and what they told the search team, otherwise why add the "step" where you can't hear him?

And I'm not going to lie either, I loved Dolores talking down to Hale. Bitch deserved it. Tired of her cocky attitude.

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And I'm not going to lie either, I loved Dolores talking down to Hale. Bitch deserved it. Tired of her cocky attitude.

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Even though I knew it couldn't happen because we'd already seen Charlotte in a later scene (goddamned Nolans and their timeline frickery), I wanted Delores to blow her head off so badly when she started that corporatespeak simpering.

I'd have settled for her pistolwhipping Charlotte and telling her to STFU.

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speaking of lying, does anyone think Bernard lied for Charlotte when giving the Sector 16 Zone 4 location to Strand?


10000 percent.

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I'm torn on this one. I don't know if Ford's still in there at this point. Here's a rough Bernard timeline the best I can piece it together from immediately before the gala to the "present", whatever that means in a Nolan's mind.

-Bernard goes to the secret lab and makes the Ford ball and kills everything in the lab. Ford uploads himself to the Cradle and frees the hosts, triggering the gala massacre.
-Bernard and Charlotte hide in barn while the gala massacre is still going on.
-Charlotte and Bernard go off to the secret bunker Charlotte knows about to call for help. Charlotte finds out that help won't be coming until they find and deliver the information locked up inside Abernathy.
-Charlotte and Bernard go off to find Abernathy. They find him with Rebus (Trevor from GTA5) and reprogram Rebus to be a good little boy. After Rebus wipes out the other hosts (who aren't playing nicely) Charlotte and Bernard run off with Abernathy. Enter the Confederados, who come to investigate all the ruckus and capture Bernard and Abernathy. Charlotte gets away, leaving Bernard in the lurch.
-Bernard and Abernathy are brought to where Delores is by the Confederados. Delores has Bernard try to fix Abernathy. Bernard discovers the data in Abernathy's head.
-Charlotte tracks Bernard and Abernathy down with a security team and is able to take off with Abernathy, but that skank bitch leaves Bernard behind AGAIN.
-Somewhere in the confusion from the attack, Clementine walks up to Bernard and knocks him the frick out and drags him off to the cave where Elsie is.
-Bernard wakes up to realize he's now with Elsie. At this point, he's taken repeated blows to the head and is leaking ear goo again, so he reveals his secret to Elsie because he knows she'll help him. After topping off Bernard's brainpan, they investigate the secret lab and discover Jim Delos 2.0 and the fever nightmare that lives in the basement. Bernard remembers being there before making the red ball and whacking everything in the lab, but not why.
-Bernard and Elsie realize there's some seriously freaky shite going down and decide to go back to the Mesa. They get there and discover the frickery going on with the Cradle. Bernard has to enter the Cradle directly to find out what's going on. Elsie plugs him directly into the cradle, where Bernard picks up a nasty strain of the Ford Virus. Always use updated virus protection.
-They leave the cradle because the fight is getting closer and Bernard, under Ford's control, sends Elsie away under the ruse of finding them a ride out of that deathpit and Bernard then slaughters the security forces that show up in response to the raging battle down there.
-Bernard goes to the control center and completely shuts down Westworld's control systems and smashes the consoles so Delores has complete freedom to do whatever the frick she do.
-STUFF HAPPENS HERE. ELVES? DRAGONS? A VISIT FROM A MECHANICAL MAN LOOKING FOR JOHN CONNOR? I DON'T KNOW. THEY HAVEN'T SHOWN US YET.
-Bernard wakes up on the beach groggy from what was, ostensibly, one hell of a kegger. Everyone else is still passed out in the pool. Stubbs finds him and brings him back to Strand and Bernard meets up again with Charlotte, who lets everyone know that she lost Abernathy. AGAIN. Bernard should probably not trust Charlotte to look out for his best interests anymore.
-Strand shows up and uses the timeless "I have a gun" persuasion technique to convince Stubbs and Bernard that travelling to a secret lab Delos found in an old house Ford built out in the middle of nowhere and playing Clue was a great idea (it was Mr. Lowe in the Laboratory with his bare hands, BTW).
-Suddenly, Bernards as far as the eye can see. Really, Ford was kind of a packrat. Did he ever throw ANYTHING away?
-Now everyone knows Bernard's secret. AWKWARD. Charlotte, for once, doesn't leave Bernard behind. Unfortunately, however, she does drag his arse back to the Mesa and waterboards the frick out of him because what went down during that whole "Elves" portion of the timeline is still stored somewhere in that battered computer he calls a control unit and the information Charlotte wants happened during the "Terminator period" of the story.
-Bernard says one thing to Charlotte we can't hear then the other thing we can once everyone's back in the room.

I think that accounts for Bernard's travels that we've seen this season. I went back through the episode plots to piece it together, so I think I've got it down, but this shite's so convoluted I easily could have swapped some stuff, especially after the point that Bernard and Elsie separate. I'm PRETTY sure everything's 100% kosher until then. I guess my question on what Bernard told Charlotte during the interrogation is whether or not Ford is still in there. We only know for sure where Ford is up until Bernard shuts everything down. If Ford is still in there, Charlotte never had control of Bernard and he was just pretending to respond to her commands, so the only information Charlotte got was what Ford wanted her to have, though not necessarily a lie. If Ford somehow slips away in the "here be dragons" part of the timeline, then who knows what Bernard's addled brain gave up to Charlotte.

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I've just accepted that I'm probably not going to understand the whole timeline unless I binge rewatch the season when it's over.

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Yeah. It's a lot. Don't think I just remembered that. I had to go back through plot summaries to piece that together and it took a while. The whole point of that exercise was to try to figure out where Ford is during all of this to see if he's possibly still in there when Charlotte interrogates Bernard, and all I got out of it was "I dunno, maybe?"

That timeline doesn't even begin to try to place where everyone else is while Bernard's Westworld Adventure is taking place, other than people who are directly in Bernard's vicinity to mistreat him in one way or another (except for Elsie because she's cute and smart and nice and has a good butt and just really wants to be a dentist now).

That's kind of the point that Ford made to Bernard before he took over, though, isn't it? With free will, Bernard could never survive at this point because he'd not suffered enough to stand up for himself or prevent others from steamrolling him. Ford's definitely been steadfast in that the hosts have to be willing to be more savage than the humans if they're to survive and willing to hold them back until they were ready to cut their own father's head open for the information they need. So far, Bernard's sole purpose in this season seems to be for other people to shite on, so it doesn't appear as if he's ready.

Maybe we end the season with Bernard finding his zest for destruction and raining Hellfire missiles down on his enemies.

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I'm torn on this one. I don't know if Ford's still in there at this point.

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In that scene the technician says that Bernard’s system is being overloaded with a bunch of new info it’s tryinh to process so he couldn’t access his memories in the way that he should

That told me that Ford is still controlling the sticks on Bernard

Plus the location he told them is the “valley beyond” or atleast the river we saw in episode one. The main villain dude said “we’re going back to the river” or something to that effect. It would make sense that ford would want them to go there if it leads to a trap from Delores

In all fairness they’ve made it clear they are not a rescue team. It does seem that it’s a bunch of untrained mercenaries than a security team tho.

I did have a pet peeve with some dude wanting to get laid while there were dead people bleeding out everywhere. The hosts have killed everyone they came in contact with but hey, maybe this one will sleep with me instead of kill me.

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speaking of lying, does anyone think Bernard lied for Charlotte when giving the Sector 16 Zone 4 location to Strand?

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Well, if the events are accurate, one has to wonder if Bernard was still under Ford's control when he gave those coordinates. Is Ford setting up his "final solution" by bringing all the contestants together?

I'm really at the point where I can't see myself actually caring about any of the characters on the show. Couple that with the fact that I can't really follow the plot anymore and am soo confused with all the timeline jumping, and I think I may be done with Westworld. Let the downvotes rain down!