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re: Westworld S2 E7: Les Écorchés

Posted on 6/4/18 at 5:47 am to
Posted by Cooler
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Posted on 6/4/18 at 5:47 am to
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The guns used in the parks are all lethal if not retarded. They have electronics in them that dial back how hard they shoot if fired at a human, but let the bullet fly full speed when fired at a host. The Mesa could control how hard you'd get hit by a host depending on the intensity of the story you were part of. Ford removed all of those safeguards, though, so the guns now just all go pew pew pew, host or human target.



At what point in the timeline do all the guns go pew pew pew?
Posted by Big Chipper
Charlotte, NC
Member since Sep 2008
2961 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 6:42 am to
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someone posted this in last week's thread. it's a running time line of westworld. they update it after each episode (tonight's episode is already added). it's helpful if you're a little confused about when things are happening.
LINK

Thanks a bunch...helps a lot.
Posted by Pitch To Johnny
Houston
Member since Jun 2015
4243 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 6:45 am to
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"Imma kill you." "Ouch. Well, now Imma seduce you." "Just kidding. Boom."
it was definitely the time old tale of bad guy has the drop on good guy, but instead of shooting to kill, lays out their evil plan (or in this case tries to frick), and gets killed in the process.

MiB got fricked up. I know he isn't going out like that, but I was surprised with how many times he was shot. Lawrence's whole scene was great.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
116142 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 6:48 am to
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the way she was talking was just to make sure it was all destroyed so no one could live for ever.


But if that were her plan it would already be destroyed
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 7:48 am to
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At what point in the timeline do all the guns go pew pew pew?


Well, I guess technically, if you pointed them at a host, they always went pew pew pew, but if you pointed them at a human, they just went pew. Farther away from Sweetwater where the stories got more intense, they'd go pew pew if you pointed them at a human, but still pew pew pew if you pointed them at a host. Right before the massacre at the gala would be when Ford made them always go pew pew pew no matter what they were pointed at.
This post was edited on 6/4/18 at 7:58 am
Posted by Erin Go Bragh
Beyond the Pale
Member since Dec 2007
14918 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 8:01 am to
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MiB got fricked up. I know he isn't going out like that, but I was surprised with how many times he was shot.

IRL it would take months of convalescing and therapy to recover from that many bullet wounds. I expect MIB to be riding a horse next week.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87961 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 8:17 am to
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IRL
Except there's precedent for quick healing in this show from a medical/technical standpoint. We know they have devices that repairs tissue, etc. You'd be right in most cases though.
This post was edited on 6/4/18 at 8:29 am
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 8:22 am to
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IRL it would take months of convalescing and therapy to recover from that many bullet wounds. I expect MIB to be riding a horse next week.


IRL, there aren't murderous robots that look and act like humans, either. You just have to go with it. Maeve slashed Sylvester's throat with a scalpel in season 1 and he was fine five minutes later. They have magic healing kits.

More importantly, WILLIAM has one. Think back to the first episode or so of the season. William comes up on Lawrence hanging upside down over an ant pile and three hosts fricking with him. William kills all three and frees Lawrence, but not before being shot himself. Lawrence and William go to the bar where William busts a hole in the wall to get the magic healing kit he stashed away so he could patch up his gunshot wound like nothing happened.
This post was edited on 6/4/18 at 8:24 am
Posted by Erin Go Bragh
Beyond the Pale
Member since Dec 2007
14918 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 8:45 am to
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Except there's precedent for quick healing in this show from a medical/technical standpoint. We know they have devices that repairs tissue, etc. You'd be right in most cases though.

I'm not making a huge issue out of it in this instance but quick recovery times is one of my pet peeves with hollywood writers in general.

How many times have we seen a character take a bullet to the leg and 30 seconds later running like Usain Bolt?

Doesn't necessarily ruin it for me but it is one of those things I tend to notice in shows.

This post was edited on 6/4/18 at 8:46 am
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87961 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 8:51 am to
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Doesn't necessarily ruin it for me but it is one of those things I tend to notice in shows.
No doubt. I'm only pointing out that WW has had least made an effort to explain something like that in this show. Is it still a plot device? Sure. But I wouldn't call it distracting here if William (or his daughter) pulls out one of those med kits.

Back to the episode. I like this one mostly due to Ford. But I'm not sure how I feel/like him uploading himself into Bernard. How would he know something like that would work? How is a single host able to handle two minds?

And next week actually interests me. I wonder if we find a host who's "awake" but not looking to destroy humanity but save it. The whole ghost nation has been needing explaining since the end of last season.
Posted by VOR
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2009
68768 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 8:58 am to
I was late to the party. I have the premise of the original movie in my head. This series apparently goes in different directions and I’m like WTF?
Posted by Cooler
Member since Mar 2017
188 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 9:06 am to
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Well, I guess technically, if you pointed them at a host, they always went pew pew pew, but if you pointed them at a human, they just went pew. Farther away from Sweetwater where the stories got more intense, they'd go pew pew if you pointed them at a human, but still pew pew pew if you pointed them at a host. Right before the massacre at the gala would be when Ford made them always go pew pew pew no matter what they were pointed at.


It is a bit confusing since the gun Emily used didn't kill Nicholas, though this scene was before the massacre, it was after Maeve recruits Hector. I can't recall if Hector was killing humans with the guns at the beginning of Maeve's escape.
Posted by Bham4Tide
In a Van down by the River
Member since Feb 2011
24684 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 9:09 am to
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it would take months of convalescing and therapy to recover from that many bullet wounds. I expect MIB to be riding a horse next week.


Of course
Posted by Mindenfan
Minden
Member since Sep 2006
4823 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:22 am to
I think Bernard is as confused as I am at this point.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87961 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:33 am to
There are two timelines:

1) Bernard is/was with Elsie in the CR4DL and with Ford as Dolores attacks and takes her dad's control unit.

2) Bernard is with Charlotte after they find him on the beach after he flooded the valley. They're actively looking for Dolores and the unit she took.

Mixed in is William's search for... who fricking knows? I'm starting to lose what his motivation is. Same with Ford. I think William wants to destroy everything yet he still thinks he's playing a game setup by Ford. It's tough to keep track there.
Posted by dallastiger55
Jennings, LA
Member since Jan 2010
34135 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 11:42 am to
i know everyone in here understands this show to the T, but im confused as hell.


Heres what i dont get- Why is it such big deal when a host dies? Cant they just be brought right back to life?


Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 11:46 am to
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Thanks a bunch...helps a lot.


Amen. I was confused by this weeks ending, until i read that timeline and realized that Bernard was retelling his experiences of the last 2 weeks to That board member lady.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87961 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 11:49 am to
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Why is it such big deal when a host dies? Cant they just be brought right back to life?
I think we are well beyond that point for a few reasons. 1) Who would bring them back and what would their mental state be? Delos wouldn't simply reset them per usual and for what purpose? The park isn't going to reopen soon. And 2) The hosts themselves would know that once they're dead this next time, it's likely they won't have a chance to regain their woke state. Either they will be completely discarded or Delos would use a clean "backup". Which was partially the purpose of this episode. Bye-Bye backups mean that the only state the hosts can be "restored" to is whatever is in the control unit once their body is fixed.
Posted by PowerTool
The dark side of the road
Member since Dec 2009
23221 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 11:59 am to
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I like this one mostly due to Ford. But I'm not sure how I feel/like him uploading himself into Bernard. How would he know something like that would work? How is a single host able to handle two minds?


I thought Ford was still operating because he had had Bernard upload his control unit into the cradle. How is he still controlling Bernard after the hot blonde chick blew up the cradle?
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87961 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 12:04 pm to
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How is he still controlling Bernard after the hot blonde chick blew up the cradle?
He's inside Bernard now, partially controlling him. And by "now" I mean from the time he and Elsie get separated all the way to where Charlotte figures out he's a host and they try to hack into his head for the location of Abernathy's unit with all the data.
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