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re: Was Tony Soprano already in Hell? (Spoilers obviously)
Posted on 12/12/22 at 8:05 pm to pevetohead
Posted on 12/12/22 at 8:05 pm to pevetohead
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re living the night he was whacked over and over again
nothing about the series gives any kind of vibe that this would actually be the case.
nothing about the scene was 'over and over again'. it happened one time, and you 'wouldnt see it comin'
I think the Kubrick nods are just that. someone high up wanted to nod to Kubrick and had the opportunity to because like you say Kubrick was referenced frequently by pop culture, and this show included a lot of pop culture.
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Posted on 12/12/22 at 8:48 pm to pevetohead
Yes. When Tony first enters the cafe and looks around to find a seat, he sees himself already seated at the table. He’s just watching the same event over and over again.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 10:24 pm to Philzilla2k
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that’s the thing about art, once it’s released to the public, individual interpretation is as valid as artistic intent,
False.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 11:18 am to pevetohead
Good read!
Posted on 1/29/25 at 8:48 pm to pevetohead
The issue with this theory - although it's a neat one - is that David Chase would have very clearly said, "Tony died in that scene" at some point in the last 18 years.
Here's what I think happened. They wanted a Sopranos movie at some point and were in negotiations for it (just like Peaky Blinders was). That means they can't kill off the protagonist. But HBO at least knew they had to make it look like something happened - maybe the Member's Only guy popped him. Maybe the black men who walked in popped him. Maybe he had a heart attack eating onion rings. They probably went to work trying to figure out some way to make it look like he'd died without actually killing him so that the movie would make sense.
Which is why The Sopranos had no problem saying, "Adriana is deceased" to frustrated fans, but to this day, 18 years later and even facing his own mortality from a heart attack, David Chase has never come out and said in clear, plain language that can't be retracted - "Tony Died in that diner." It's that simple. That's all he would need to say - and the only reason he wouldn't say it is if it's not true.
Can you imagine the uproar if one of the top 5 greatest shows on the history of TV really did end with its gangster protagonist happily eating onion rings with his family and going home? They'll never admit that he lived through that scene because it would destroy the mystery they inadvertently created by trying to make sure a movie could go ahead if need-be.
Here's what I think happened. They wanted a Sopranos movie at some point and were in negotiations for it (just like Peaky Blinders was). That means they can't kill off the protagonist. But HBO at least knew they had to make it look like something happened - maybe the Member's Only guy popped him. Maybe the black men who walked in popped him. Maybe he had a heart attack eating onion rings. They probably went to work trying to figure out some way to make it look like he'd died without actually killing him so that the movie would make sense.
Which is why The Sopranos had no problem saying, "Adriana is deceased" to frustrated fans, but to this day, 18 years later and even facing his own mortality from a heart attack, David Chase has never come out and said in clear, plain language that can't be retracted - "Tony Died in that diner." It's that simple. That's all he would need to say - and the only reason he wouldn't say it is if it's not true.
Can you imagine the uproar if one of the top 5 greatest shows on the history of TV really did end with its gangster protagonist happily eating onion rings with his family and going home? They'll never admit that he lived through that scene because it would destroy the mystery they inadvertently created by trying to make sure a movie could go ahead if need-be.
This post was edited on 1/29/25 at 8:52 pm
Posted on 1/29/25 at 8:57 pm to Godfather1
Another reason this hitman's behavior doesn't make any sense. He's wearing a jacket with pockets. He walks right by Tony and could very easily have swiveled a bit and popped him in the side or even back of the head. He was right next to him just like the hit on Phil.
Why in the world would you go to the bathroom out of reverence for the Godfather? lol He wouldn't have. It means a longer shot and a better chance that Tony is going to notice him when the bathroom door opens (the guy has bat ears after all this danger).
While the Sopranos was never hyper-realistic about mob behavior (for example, a boss wouldn't be a foot soldier with 7 kills), the hitman's behavior is over-the-top stupid from the beginning. First off, why would you wear a member's only jacket? You're aware your target's friend was attacked by someone wearing one - and aware that he knew another enemy who used to wear one. Way to put blazing red flags over your head to Tony. Why would he walk through the door looking like he has a chip on his shoulder? The goal of this is to be inconspicuous and harmless. He busts through the door and glares at Tony twice in full view of Tony. Then he walks by him to the bathroom to? No way that's a hitman unless this is a comedy.
Why in the world would you go to the bathroom out of reverence for the Godfather? lol He wouldn't have. It means a longer shot and a better chance that Tony is going to notice him when the bathroom door opens (the guy has bat ears after all this danger).
While the Sopranos was never hyper-realistic about mob behavior (for example, a boss wouldn't be a foot soldier with 7 kills), the hitman's behavior is over-the-top stupid from the beginning. First off, why would you wear a member's only jacket? You're aware your target's friend was attacked by someone wearing one - and aware that he knew another enemy who used to wear one. Way to put blazing red flags over your head to Tony. Why would he walk through the door looking like he has a chip on his shoulder? The goal of this is to be inconspicuous and harmless. He busts through the door and glares at Tony twice in full view of Tony. Then he walks by him to the bathroom to? No way that's a hitman unless this is a comedy.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:01 pm to frankthetank
There's another death on The Sopranos that people got confused about because it wasn't explicitly shown on-screen: Adriana's. Writers immediately popped up and confirmed she was deceased with no stuttering, cryptic language, or hesitation.
In 18 years, David Chase has never confirmed that Tony died in that diner. He did confirm that he initially thought of killing him off on the way back from a business trip and then he did mention a diner would have been a nice place for Tony to die. But given his venom toward fans, it's very likely that they repulsed them so much he changed his mind about killing him off and left him alive. He hated his fans so much he didn't even care enough about them to show him living through the scene either.
The only reason I can think of for Chase to not explicitly say, "Tony is deceased" like they did with Adriana is because he actually didn't kill him off in that scene and realizes now how much damage that reality would cause the show's mysterious legacy. Absolutely nothing happened. Saying he died would make a lot of people happy. But almost two decades later, he hasn't.
Can anyone else come up with any other reason David Chase wouldn't plainly confirm Tony's death the way he did Adriana's - in a way that couldn't be backpedaled other than "I actually fricked up and didn't kill him, surprise, enjoy your anguish."
In 18 years, David Chase has never confirmed that Tony died in that diner. He did confirm that he initially thought of killing him off on the way back from a business trip and then he did mention a diner would have been a nice place for Tony to die. But given his venom toward fans, it's very likely that they repulsed them so much he changed his mind about killing him off and left him alive. He hated his fans so much he didn't even care enough about them to show him living through the scene either.
The only reason I can think of for Chase to not explicitly say, "Tony is deceased" like they did with Adriana is because he actually didn't kill him off in that scene and realizes now how much damage that reality would cause the show's mysterious legacy. Absolutely nothing happened. Saying he died would make a lot of people happy. But almost two decades later, he hasn't.
Can anyone else come up with any other reason David Chase wouldn't plainly confirm Tony's death the way he did Adriana's - in a way that couldn't be backpedaled other than "I actually fricked up and didn't kill him, surprise, enjoy your anguish."
This post was edited on 1/29/25 at 9:07 pm
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:15 pm to L.A.
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Paulie: You didn't go to hell. You went to purgatory, my friend.
Christopher: I forgot about purgatory.
Paulie: Purgatory--a little detour on the way to paradise.
Christopher: How long do you think we've got to stay there?
Paulie: That's different for everybody. You add up all your mortal sins and multiply that number by 50. Then you add up all your venial sins and multiply that by 25. You add that together and that's your sentence. I figure I'm gonna have to do 6,000 years before I get accepted into heaven and 6,000 years is nothin' in eternity terms. I can do that standing on my head. It's like a couple of days here.
Inferno, Purgatorio, Paradiso.
In semi-related news, Hurry Up Tomorrow.
This post was edited on 1/29/25 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 1/29/25 at 11:14 pm to WBrab
Dude you’re on a roll.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:24 am to Captain Crown
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His mother was a fricking demon so I could see it
Posted on 1/30/25 at 1:01 am to WBrab
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The only reason I can think of for Chase to not explicitly say, "Tony is deceased" like they did with Adriana is because he actually didn't kill him off in that scene and realizes now how much damage that reality would cause the show's mysterious legacy.
He doesn't say he's dead because people are still talking about it 20 years later. Keeps interest.
And after 20 years, is it really necessary to put spoiler in the title?
Posted on 1/30/25 at 6:22 am to pevetohead
This is just stupid wishcasting. Chase has explained what ‘happened’.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:21 am to pevetohead
He had A.J. for a son--------------he was already in hell with that idiot being his offspring.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:50 am to BuckyCheese
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And after 20 years, is it really necessary to put spoiler in the title?
I made a post a couple years ago about finding the original pilot for what would eventually become the "Dick Van Dyke Show" where Carl Reiner was the star and none of the people in the cast of the pilot would make it to the series it became except Reiner.
This pilot came out in 61 if memory serves me right and one of my first responses was "You need to put a "Spoiler Alert" on this".
I laughed at the absurdity of that comment.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:56 am to WBrab
quote:Best explanation that I've heard yet.
Here's what I think happened. They wanted a Sopranos movie at some point and were in negotiations for it (just like Peaky Blinders was). That means they can't kill off the protagonist. But HBO at least knew they had to make it look like something happened -
They can't just let an evil character like Tony have a happy ending, and they can't kill him off (and him going to prison would've seemed like a weak resolution).
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:06 am to WBrab
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Which is why The Sopranos had no problem saying, "Adriana is deceased" to frustrated fans
Wait, what? Adriana was very clearly killed by Silvio onscreen (or about as onscreen as you can get without showing her head getting blown off). He drove out into the wilderness, yanked her out of the car, and shot her damn near point blank.
What the hell were fans frustrated with or confused about?
ETA: While I like OP's theory, I think the truth is far simpler and Tony was simply killed. There as that long arse link not long after the show ended that explained it perfectly IMO...about how a previous scene with them talking about how when you die you don't see or hear anything, everything just goes to black. And that's exactly what happened IMO with them continuing to show Tony's viewpoint, where eventually what he sees is nothing because he was killed.
I think this is it: VERY long read, but really good IMO.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 11:12 am
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:26 am to jchamil
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That seems like a huge stretch. I'm pretty sure this is the first instance I've ever heard anyone refer to 3:00 as a blind spot
I never felt like it was his blind spot. I feel like it was a clear opening to shoot Tony without endangering his family. If Meadow could park worth a shite she would have already been in the diner and seated beside Tony. But who really knows.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:17 pm to WBrab
3 year old bump…. Impressive!!!
Posted on 1/30/25 at 6:07 pm to Arkapigdiesel
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His mother was a fricking demon so I could see it
As a side note, I always knew that Nancy Marchand died during the series, and that's why Livia died as well. If you watched the special HBO did with the writer, she was actually diagnosed as terminally ill with cancer prior to her last season, and she insisted on continuing on to properly end her character. They knew she wasn't going to make it, so they scripted out her death and she played it out. Pretty impressive on her part.
Agreed though that the character Livia was a horrible individual.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 6:14 pm to hogwildinhouston
You guys are idiots, Tony is still alive and Benny is his Underboss, AJ is called Fredo by the other families.
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