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re: True Detective S3E5 - If you have ghosts potential spoliers
Posted on 2/4/19 at 4:00 pm to Large Farva
Posted on 2/4/19 at 4:00 pm to Large Farva
Dan Obrien (Lucy's creepy cousin, also referred to as the kids uncle)
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Posted on 2/4/19 at 4:05 pm to MF Doom
quote:actually has been very good, great return to form for this series.
5 episodes in is the show worth watching?
Posted on 2/4/19 at 6:39 pm to wmr
So far I like season 3 better than season 1, which is saying a lot. No clue what happened with season 2 being so different.
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 7:21 pm
Posted on 2/4/19 at 9:21 pm to Jwodie
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The episode's end scene exchange between elderly Hays and West brought the feels. Ali and Dorff did an amazing job in that sequence
That was a very powerful scene. They absolutely nailed it, best acting so far and best written scene so far, IMHO.
Stir some shite up with me...
Posted on 2/4/19 at 9:29 pm to wmr
Scene in 1990 when Wayne and Amelia go over to Roland’s house for dinner.. Did anyone else notice Roland’s gf Lori say that she was a poultry science major when Wayne asked what she studied in college? This has got to have something to do with why Roland is still pissed at Wayne after all these years, right?
Posted on 2/4/19 at 10:43 pm to Walter White
This is my take so far....
In the beginning after Will's death, a couple was saying to the detectives that there are rumors that the kids are not Tom's and Lucy has been sleeping around.
I think that Kindt was one of the people that Lucy slept around with and Julie is his daughter but Will isn't. I believe that Kindt found out and didn't want it to be tarnished so he took Julie and Will got in the way and got killed. The dolls were planted by a bystander as a guide to find Will and had nothing to do with it. Also, the pose he was in was to keep him in peace.
I think that Lucy knew about all this and couldn't go to the police because Kindt would kill Julie. She wrote the message to let the investigation "go away."
I got most of this because of the call from Julie. She said get that man away from me. I don't think she means Tom, I think she means Kindt.
I also might add that the bystander could have been Lucy and not a random that put Will there.
In the beginning after Will's death, a couple was saying to the detectives that there are rumors that the kids are not Tom's and Lucy has been sleeping around.
I think that Kindt was one of the people that Lucy slept around with and Julie is his daughter but Will isn't. I believe that Kindt found out and didn't want it to be tarnished so he took Julie and Will got in the way and got killed. The dolls were planted by a bystander as a guide to find Will and had nothing to do with it. Also, the pose he was in was to keep him in peace.
I think that Lucy knew about all this and couldn't go to the police because Kindt would kill Julie. She wrote the message to let the investigation "go away."
I got most of this because of the call from Julie. She said get that man away from me. I don't think she means Tom, I think she means Kindt.
I also might add that the bystander could have been Lucy and not a random that put Will there.
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 10:47 pm
Posted on 2/4/19 at 11:19 pm to Walter White
quote:
Scene in 1990 when Wayne and Amelia go over to Roland’s house for dinner.. Did anyone else notice Roland’s gf Lori say that she was a poultry science major when Wayne asked what she studied in college? This has got to have something to do with why Roland is still pissed at Wayne after all these years, right?
I don't really know what you're saying here. Expound.
I took Wayne's asking her what she studied as him just diverting the conversation away from Amelia's preferred discussion of the case.
Lori's studying "poultry science" isn't important, is it? I suppose it could portend some future connection to the Hoyts?
Posted on 2/5/19 at 6:36 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
Which leads me to my next question. Who is Kindt?
Posted on 2/5/19 at 7:04 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
quote:
got most of this because of the call from Julie. She said get that man away from me. I don't think she means Tom, I think she means Kindt.
She said, the man pretending to be my father...
IMO...she was definitely speaking of Tom. And it sounded like she blamed Tom, that's why Roland and Hayes were giving Tom the silent treatment, like he had been playing them the whole time. I will rewatch that scene (Ive watched episode 3 times already)
Who is Kindt?
Posted on 2/5/19 at 7:07 am to Maximus
He’s the DA/state Attorney General right?
Posted on 2/5/19 at 7:32 am to DelU249
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that communion photo, that's something only lucy or the husband would know.
Wasn't the same communion photo on a wall at the church? The detectives asked the priest about who took the pics and why the pose. I think he said Will's eyes were closed because he blinked.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 7:45 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
Minor spoiler, just in case
The Hoyt family is involved somehow some way. When they were talking about killing whoever they killed, right after he said “he came to see me the next day you know? Hoyt? Seems like he was in the dark about a few things too”. Something like that. So without a doubt the hoyt family is involved.
The Hoyt family is involved somehow some way. When they were talking about killing whoever they killed, right after he said “he came to see me the next day you know? Hoyt? Seems like he was in the dark about a few things too”. Something like that. So without a doubt the hoyt family is involved.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 7:46 am to spacewrangler
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They absolutely nailed it, best acting so far and best written scene so far, IMHO.
I’ve had 3 fave moments so far, that scene which was truly amazing, then when Tom and Roland were in the car and Tom apologized for calling Wayne the n word and Roland said he’s been called worse by worse people (something like that) and Tom apologizes again- there was just something real and honest about that scene to me. And the 3rd wasn’t even a whole scene just Wayne’s giddy reaction when he’s standing outside the car after he and his son first get to Roland’s when Roland is standing on the porch and says something to the son as if he’s Wayne and who’s the old guy with him. Just that reaction by Ali seemed so spot on for an old guy seeing an old friend.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 8:01 am to Twenty 49
Back to the ghosts that Hays sees.
There's the Vietnamese (I don't recall what they were holding)
Amelia
Cop in suit
Long-haired individual
We're pretty sure the long-hair was the guy who has PTSD about a threat of prison rape. Was the cop in the suit the one that was shot in head behind the tree?
I feel like the ghosts are clues. I'm starting to think the ghosts may be people whose deaths make him feel strong guilt. There is still the chance that it's all people he killed, which is where the identification of that suited ghost becomes important.
There's the Vietnamese (I don't recall what they were holding)
Amelia
Cop in suit
Long-haired individual
We're pretty sure the long-hair was the guy who has PTSD about a threat of prison rape. Was the cop in the suit the one that was shot in head behind the tree?
I feel like the ghosts are clues. I'm starting to think the ghosts may be people whose deaths make him feel strong guilt. There is still the chance that it's all people he killed, which is where the identification of that suited ghost becomes important.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 8:04 am to piggilicious
this episode hit me hard in a few scenes
the scene where Wayne is walking upstairs with his family, then it cuts to him old, and he doesn't know where his family is, then he is standing in the doorway, remembering him and his family hit me so hard
it made me want to just hold my wife and kid and really appreciate them more
also I know it's been repeated multiple times in this thread, but the end scene on the porch was so goddamn good
the scene where Wayne is walking upstairs with his family, then it cuts to him old, and he doesn't know where his family is, then he is standing in the doorway, remembering him and his family hit me so hard
it made me want to just hold my wife and kid and really appreciate them more
also I know it's been repeated multiple times in this thread, but the end scene on the porch was so goddamn good
Posted on 2/5/19 at 8:05 am to Jester
quote:
We're pretty sure the long-hair was the guy who has PTSD about a threat of prison rape.
pretty sure it was Woodard
long black hair with a bullet hole right in his head...
Posted on 2/5/19 at 8:42 am to wmr
quote:
Lori's studying "poultry science" isn't important, is it? I suppose it could portend some future connection to the Hoyts?
That’s what I’m thinking. Possibly that Wayne ran with the idea that Lori was somehow connected to the Hoyts (and the murder/kidnapping) via her poultry science background. And subsequently ruined Roland and Lori’s relationship. I don’t know, I might be down a rabbit hole here..
Posted on 2/5/19 at 8:46 am to DelU249
quote:
also feel like the girl was relocated with the cousin who no doubt abused her and probably pimped her out, she ran away and is a total nutcase now.
detectives discover the cousin's involvement and that he abused her, and they flat out fricking kill him.
Agree with this.
Mom and cousin arranged for kids to be taken away. Son has accident, mom poses him.
Cousin takes girl and sells her into sex slavery or pimps her out. She's clearly fricked in the head. She was probably held captive in a pink room and told she was a princess and that her dad killed her brother over and over and over.
The detectives find the cousin in 1990 timeline, beat the confession out of him, then killed him and threw his body in the reservoir where the bones were later found. They still don't find out where the girl is though. Mom ODs out of guilt.
Another movie spoiler (Gone Baby, Gone):
My only question is why the police are involved. I wonder if this is a sick and twisted version of Gone Baby, Gone, where the cops are involved, but instead of trying to save the kids, they were stealing the kids for nefarious reasons? That one red head cop clearly planted the backpack and destroyed the fingerprint evidence. Then he disappeared.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 8:53 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
quote:
This is my take so far....
In the beginning after Will's death, a couple was saying to the detectives that there are rumors that the kids are not Tom's and Lucy has been sleeping around.
I think that Kindt was one of the people that Lucy slept around with and Julie is his daughter but Will isn't. I believe that Kindt found out and didn't want it to be tarnished so he took Julie and Will got in the way and got killed. The dolls were planted by a bystander as a guide to find Will and had nothing to do with it. Also, the pose he was in was to keep him in peace.
I think that Lucy knew about all this and couldn't go to the police because Kindt would kill Julie. She wrote the message to let the investigation "go away."
I got most of this because of the call from Julie. She said get that man away from me. I don't think she means Tom, I think she means Kindt.
I also might add that the bystander could have been Lucy and not a random that put Will there.
Ohh I like this.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 8:54 am to spacewrangler
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She said, the man pretending to be my father...
IMO...she was definitely speaking of Tom. And it sounded like she blamed Tom, that's why Roland and Hayes were giving Tom the silent treatment, like he had been playing them the whole time. I will rewatch that scene (Ive watched episode 3 times already)
Who is Kindt?
Well, maybe in private Kindt was "pretending" to be Julie's father after being abducted and that's what she meant.
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