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re: The Hill you'll die on: Movie/tv edition
Posted on 5/11/21 at 11:39 am to Hoodie
Posted on 5/11/21 at 11:39 am to Hoodie
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We know Prince Hans turns-out to be a no-good, conniving bad guy who only lured Anna into a relationship in hopes of gaining control of the kingdom.
Why, after his first encounter with Anna, do we see him express a look of aw-shucks, genuine love as she walks away? I'm talking about the scene when he's knocked into the water. No one, not Anna or anyone else but the audience, can see him. Why would he have that wholesome look on his face if there was no one around to fool? It's never made sense to me...
Because he’s acting. The bigger question is why didn’t he just smother Anna with a pillow? Are the people there just going to take Hans’ word for it that she’s dead. Surely someone would immediately run into the room and try to revive her. He needed Anna dead and she was dying anyway, so just put her out of her misery.
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Posted on 5/11/21 at 12:36 pm to CocomoLSU
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But my earlier point was that you can do that with almost any movie exactly the same way:
I mean not really. Sometimes sure you can, but it would make it a completely entirely different movie, or just end it completely.
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Chiristmas Story- Instead of Christmas, make it his birthday and you can keep most of the movie intact. If his birthday is early in the year, even the snow scenes are good to go.
bullshite. You could make "A movie", but it wouldn't be the same movie by any stretch. Him shooting his eye out is the same thing mall santa told him. The mall scene is a big part of the film. It's also what his teacher told him on his paper abotu "what I want for christmas". The beginning is them at a christmas parade and he sees the rifle in the window. Two of the more memorable scnes in the film are randy dressed up so much (because it's late december) and flik and the pole (becuase it's late december).
I mean by your logic if you changed christmas to birthday, the film disappears. It doesn't exist anymore.
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You even admit that it would still be the same just "feel" different because of the tone. And you can't use the bell on the Christmas tree as important in this film, but remove Christmas references in Die Hard just because. It could've just as easily been a bell on literally anything other than a Christmas tree (like the entry door)
Right, I'm looking at boht sides of my argument instead of just hammering my own point. I fully admit that SOME movies, that are widely regarded as christmas movies, could come out any time as a "non-christmas movie" and still essentially be the exact same. Pretend there are no references to christmas in it's a wonderful life and the movie is virtually unchanged.
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Christmas vacation- It could be set around Fourth of July and still had most of the same elements. Instead of a "Christmas bonus" it could be an end of the fiscal year (June 30) bonus. And it would also make more sense with the swimming pool being that it would be set in summer. You'd lose the snow scenes, but could replace that with whatever you want (lake scenes, for example). The main thing you'd lose is the toboggan scene.
you're making some of my points for me. Take away all references to christmas and you have an entirely different movie. No toboggan scene. No cutting down the tree in the beginning. No spiking the egg nog. Another major part of hte movie is clark's comically overdecorated home, do you know anyone that decorates their home with lights for july 4th? If you take out anything and everythign christmas related, again you have an entirely different movie.
So, to bring it alll back home here...if you removed all references to christmas in Die hard, you would have virtually THE SAME EXACT MOVIE as what we currently ahve. If you did that for christmas story the movie would be about 10 minutes long. Die hard loses essentially NOTHING if you took away anything christmas related.
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But removing Christmas references and themes from Die Hard but keeping them in things you view as "Christmas movies" isn't fair.
I'm not doing that, I'm saying try that exerise across the board for all of them. Die Hard would pretty must be the exact same movie where christmas story et al would be reduced to practically nothing.
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It's the literal reason that McClane is there. It's also the reason the building is empty. It's also the reason the terrorists chose when to strike. It'
He's there to get back together with his wife, christmas isn't really the important theme there. The buildign could be empty for a thousand reasons. It could NYE. It could be a Saturday at 8pm and it's past their operating hours. It could be Thanksgiving. Christmas has nothing to do with it.
HEre's the point....the other movies I mentioned are based AROUND christmas. Christmas story for instance...they literally start the whole idea wiht christmas. "hey let's make a movie about a kid who wants this thing for christmas". It's literally the POINT of the movie. Die hard is not based around christmas. Die hard's whole idea is "let's have this badass trapped in a building with a bunch of bad guys and he's taking em out one by one". Not "...and he's taking em out one by one, and also it's christmas eve!". Die hard isn't based AROUND christmas, it's an action movie that happens to take palce at christmas time.
Also, why does nobody ever claim Die Hard 2 is a christmas movie?
This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 5/11/21 at 12:44 pm to WG_Dawg
It seems like it more boils down to what you believe to count as a "Christmas movie." I believe Die hard falls into that category, you don't. So here we are.
I don't say it's a Christmas movie to be edgy or cool. It's because I think there is enough Christmas in the movie to make it one.
Like with Ralphie, there are many different reasons why he could be at a parade and see the gun, or be at the mall, or have a salesman (instead of a mall Santa) tell him not to shoot his eye out, or his teacher telling that too. Changing Christmas to his birthday doesn't make the movie disappear. It's just a different feel to the movie, nothing more.
Like I said, obviously there are a lot of movies that are "more Christmasy" than Die Hard (Elf, for example). But that doesn't make it not one IMO.
I don't say it's a Christmas movie to be edgy or cool. It's because I think there is enough Christmas in the movie to make it one.
Like with Ralphie, there are many different reasons why he could be at a parade and see the gun, or be at the mall, or have a salesman (instead of a mall Santa) tell him not to shoot his eye out, or his teacher telling that too. Changing Christmas to his birthday doesn't make the movie disappear. It's just a different feel to the movie, nothing more.
Like I said, obviously there are a lot of movies that are "more Christmasy" than Die Hard (Elf, for example). But that doesn't make it not one IMO.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:05 pm to WG_Dawg
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Also, why does nobody ever claim Die Hard 2 is a christmas movie?
Because why would people voluntarily think or talk about Die Hard 2?
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:25 pm to magildachunks
Batman v Superman's Ultimate Edition is one of the better superhero movies ever made.
Batman Begins is tGOAT.
Batman Begins is tGOAT.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 2:41 pm to udtiger
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It would also destroy the entire narrative for Kit...that she finally EARNED something and beat Dottie on even terms.
frick Kit. Jealous bitch. Dottie dropped it on purpose
This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 5/11/21 at 2:56 pm to magildachunks
I won't just die on this hill, I'll napalm every other hill within eyesight to hold this ground: True Detective season 1 is a poor man's Se7en, season 2 was solid, and season 3 is the most disappointing yet.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 3:00 pm to magildachunks
Hot Fuzz's attention to detail is absurd and is a large part of why its the best comedy, ever.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 5:23 pm to WG_Dawg
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Also, why does nobody ever claim Die Hard 2 is a christmas movie?
Because Boomer humor, see the dihydrogen monoxide example. You could call other food and water by their chemical compounds, but the boomers will just focus on one.
It's absolutely pointless to argue with a boomer about it, it's been proven boomers think things are funny for a lot longer. The Internet Historian has a great example with Brad's wife. Go to the cracker barrel twitter, they are still in there going after cracker barrel about it.
This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 8:48 pm
Posted on 5/11/21 at 5:28 pm to CocomoLSU
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I don't say it's a Christmas movie to be edgy or cool
Good, cause it hasn't been either for a decade lol.
This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 5:29 pm
Posted on 5/11/21 at 6:56 pm to magildachunks
Despite it’s annoying New Orleans stereotypes, Princess and the Frog is a phenomenal movie and one of the best Disney has made
Posted on 5/11/21 at 7:23 pm to RoyalAir
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Because it's a shite movie. Frozen is objectively terrible. The main theme of it is that when stuff gets hard and you ruin things, you should run away because accountability isn't for pretty girls.
fricking thank you!
Posted on 5/11/21 at 7:50 pm to LaLadyinTx
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Mmkay...It's about girls and they aren't saved by some guy. If that's not the case, you tell me what "postmodern bullshite" is.
And that doesn't make a movie bad. It makes a story that little girls love. They don't need to be rescued.
Your post style is...strange to say the least.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 8:26 pm to Dam Guide
FWIW, Christmas is much less prevalent in DH2. Its been a while since I’ve seen it, but aside from the fact that it takes place on Christmas Eve, I don’t think Christmas is really even present in it at all. That’s likely why nobody claims it’s a Christmas movie. Christmas is consistent throughout DH at least.
Btw, I’m not a boomer I don’t think, but when you say boomer as much as you did in your post, it’s hard to take anything else you say seriously. For someone trying to tell someone else about what’s cool and edgy, overusing boomer like that becomes pretty ironic.
Btw, I’m not a boomer I don’t think, but when you say boomer as much as you did in your post, it’s hard to take anything else you say seriously. For someone trying to tell someone else about what’s cool and edgy, overusing boomer like that becomes pretty ironic.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 8:38 pm to CocomoLSU
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Btw, I’m not a boomer I don’t think, but when you say boomer as much as you did in your post, it’s hard to take anything else you say seriously. For someone trying to tell someone else about what’s cool and edgy, overusing boomer like that becomes pretty ironic.
It means more than just what generation you are in now. The DH debate humor was funny for it's time, but that time was awhile ago.
FWIW, I'm not under any delusion that I am even remotely edgy or cool, but I do know dead memes.
This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 5/11/21 at 9:24 pm to magildachunks
Seinfeld, Friend's, and The Office are all overrated.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 11:48 pm to WG_Dawg
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Two of the more memorable scnes in the film are randy dressed up so much (because it's late december) and flik and the pole (becuase it's late december).
Could easily be in January-March, or in some parts of the Midwest, up through late April
Posted on 5/12/21 at 6:07 am to The Easter Bunny
If a friend walks in today, May 12, and I'm watching A Christmas Story or Christmas Vacation, I'd get a funny look and asked "What's that doing on?"
If he walks in and I'm watching Die Hard, I'd get "Hey cool, Die Hard is on," and he would sit down to watch.
If he walks in and I'm watching Die Hard, I'd get "Hey cool, Die Hard is on," and he would sit down to watch.
Posted on 5/12/21 at 6:21 am to Dennis Celery
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Because it's a shite movie. Frozen is objectively terrible. The main theme of it is that when stuff gets hard and you ruin things, you should run away because accountability isn't for pretty girls.
Princess and the Frog has better music, better plot, better characters, a better hard work and girl power message, etc
Posted on 5/12/21 at 9:52 am to The Easter Bunny
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Could easily be in January-March, or in some parts of the Midwest, up through late April
The entire movie revolves around Ralphie's gift on Christmas morning. What are you talking about?
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