re: Russell Brand Found Guilty of Rape

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But knee-jerking to "he unquestionably did it because jury" means you have to 100% agree that George Zimmerman, OJ, and Casey Anthony are not guilty

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Not equivalent, considering a guilty verdict has to be delivered unanimously; not guilty verdicts can be accomplished more easily.

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And that Hurricane Carter and the Memphis Three were definitely guilty when they were ALSO found as such by a jury.

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More accurate. The West Memphis Three is interesting in that they still submitted Alford pleas with the new evidence (as opposed to getting a retrial). That's a story for another day though.

But a better question is - do you believe the courts get it right most of the time? Do you feel your examples represent a sufficient enough percentage of cases to consider this one not valid?

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But a better question is - do you believe the courts get it right most of the time?

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I believe it is the best available system.

But almost certainly fallible.

Hell, one guy prevented Clancy from being found "not guilty" (likely BROI, but we can't be certain) by a jury trying to stick it to the patriarchy.

I judge it on a case-by-case basis. My faith in the British system is at an all-time low, and that informs a bit of cynicism consistent with all verdicts from there.

In contested pleas, I am not sure how often people on juries get it right.

One day AI will probably make these determinations, and will likely be more accurate.

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Not equivalent

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If you understand the point I was making, why in the world would I need it to be equivalent in process?

For my point to be valid, only need it to be a judgement rendered by the equivalent body in an equivalent system.

She denies consenting to anal or that she rimmed him. These were questions asked by the defense that she denied. No proof was given. The only proof was that Brand tore her arse up. I believe it was painful and she didn't ask to be hurt.

The defense did not present any evidence that she is a liar. Brand however is a junkie and a liar. He admits to having sex with his 16 year old accuser when he was in his 30s and claims that it was legal 'in the country they were in'. Thats same thing Epstein told people about his island.

But if you want to believe a meth heroin addict over a woman with no history of lying than that seems like your bias. A jury of non-Incels disagrees with you.

This guy is not a christian - he is a con man

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I wouldn’t want this woman in jail based on nothing more than his word either.

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Years ago, I had a kid approach me in a dark empty parking lot and stick a gun in my face. He robbed me, jumped in a car, and I got the plate.

Like Brand, he showed up to court wearing a giant cross around his neck and pretended to be Christian. I testified. Defense tried to ask questions to discredit me or suggest i was racist and motivated to lie. But they produced no other witnesses to suggest i was racist. And the kid had previous arrests for drug procession. Jury believed me, and he went to prison.

But I guess in your world, he could have said - I liked having a gun in my face? And if you were on the jury you would say - no evidence - and let him walk the streets to do it again. Sorry but I don't want to live in your world. I believe in law & order.

Honestly - if i had my gun with me at the time I would have shot the guy - and again I fear I guy like you would have said that my word was not good enough and I would be in prison for defending myself.

Testimony is evidence. And when 10 women come forward and show a pattern, one being 16 at the time, that is pretty bad. Keep in mind, Brand admits that he did everything these women claim - even sex with the child - he just believes it was all consensual. If you were on the jury you would be tasked with asking yourself - does it make sense that a woman would consent to having her rectum painfully torn so bad that it bled for three days and required going to the hospital? Or does that seem more like assault - and like a gun to the face - who asks for that?

Had the defense lined up a bunch of men to say this woman went around town looking for unprotected anal sex - ok. But they didnt. They had women lined up to say that Brand doesnt stop when told No.

Prosecution made its case and in the UK burden is on the defense to prove innocence. You can hate it, but that probably why our country is a revolving door of repeat offenders and England only had 30 gun deaths last year. Criminals go to prison there.

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And then 20 years later you filed a criminal complaint and he was convicted just because of your claim? Is that how it happened?

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Coming forward against a celebrity destroys your life. I know both women who have and women who haven't. In a he said / she said, it is almost impossible to convict and many regret doing it. Those who don't, learn to live with it. They know guys like you who hate women will immediately call them sluts and side with rapists. Once other women come forward, women tend to tell their stories. This is common. It's what happened to Harvey W.

I'll bet a million dollars that if some guy held you down and raped your arse that you would hesitate to go public as the arse rape guy and have people look at you everywhere you go - men joking that you liked it and asked for it.

Many women select to deal with trauma first. Just like Brand's victim Nadia who immediately admitted herself to the hospital and then a rape victim recovery center within hours of the assault. The details of her rape are very well documented in the 48 hours after. She did not fabricate this years later. Once she got herself right - she filed charges, which is within the law.

As we know from the Kash Patels testimony of the Epstein files. It is very difficult to make a case against rapists. He has all the evidence in the world and done nothing. I guess if charges were filed today against the pedos you would object because it doesnt fit your approved timeline.

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You could have just said "no" and saved all that typing.

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So you think all the men who came forward to accuse the Catholic Church of abuse years later are lying and you think Gayle Benson is a hero for spending money on pedo defense?

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Seems like she did have evidence considering he was found guilty

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Ton of evidence. The most damning for this monster is he was getting a consensual blowjob back stage when the accuser, in her own testimony, came up and ate his arse even without having been introduced.

Son of a bitch got an unsolicited rimjob from a strange groupie. Bury him under the jail.

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That's now 2 actors from Get Him To The Greek found guilty of sex crimes

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...one of the worst pseudo rock movies ever made.

Sad that so many people automatically think "found guilty" equals "actually guilty".

Good luck getting a fair trial in this age of #metoo #believeallwomen.