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re: Rewatched The Dark Knight...
Posted on 7/22/26 at 10:36 am to Big Fat Guy
Posted on 7/22/26 at 10:36 am to Big Fat Guy
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This happens so often in The Dark Knight Rises that nobody thinks it's as good as The Dark Knight. See what I'm saying?
That's a point people miss, sometimes deliberately if I had to guess. You can minimize any one issue and say it's inconsequential, and if it's just one issue it typically is inconsequential. But when you get multiple issues, even small ones, they add up and impact the experience.
Posted on 7/22/26 at 11:40 am to Flats
LOL...I posted this back in 2012:
Bruce Wayne goes off and trains for seven years to be the ultimate detective, fighting machine. He comes back to Gotham City and defeats Ra's Al Ghul in a matter of weeks. As soon as he is finished doing that, Lt. Jim Gordon hips him to The Joker, he says he'll look into it. In Nolan's universe, it then takes TWO years for Batman to capture the Scarecrow and he's so worried about the mob that only now, when the mob turns to the Joker, is he really ready to do anything about it. In what again seems like no more than a couple of weeks, he puts down the mob, the Joker, and Two-Face, but loses what he believes to be the love of his life in the process and hangs up the cape and cowl as an outlaw, hated and despised. Eight years later, Batman returns to defeat Bane. This process takes about five or six months. Then he retires again.
So, for all of his training and his sworn duty to fight the criminal element in all manner to avenge the loss of his father and mother, Bruce put the cowl on for just a little over two and a half years total and ran away when the going got tough?
I still love the movies, but there are indeed a lot of holes if you want to look.
Bruce Wayne goes off and trains for seven years to be the ultimate detective, fighting machine. He comes back to Gotham City and defeats Ra's Al Ghul in a matter of weeks. As soon as he is finished doing that, Lt. Jim Gordon hips him to The Joker, he says he'll look into it. In Nolan's universe, it then takes TWO years for Batman to capture the Scarecrow and he's so worried about the mob that only now, when the mob turns to the Joker, is he really ready to do anything about it. In what again seems like no more than a couple of weeks, he puts down the mob, the Joker, and Two-Face, but loses what he believes to be the love of his life in the process and hangs up the cape and cowl as an outlaw, hated and despised. Eight years later, Batman returns to defeat Bane. This process takes about five or six months. Then he retires again.
So, for all of his training and his sworn duty to fight the criminal element in all manner to avenge the loss of his father and mother, Bruce put the cowl on for just a little over two and a half years total and ran away when the going got tough?
I still love the movies, but there are indeed a lot of holes if you want to look.
This post was edited on 7/22/26 at 11:41 am
Posted on 7/22/26 at 11:51 am to Michael T. Tiger
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In Nolan's universe, it then takes TWO years for Batman to capture the Scarecrow and he's so worried about the mob that only now, when the mob turns to the Joker,
I was always under the impression that The Dark Knight took place six months or so after Batman Begins. Hence why they are living in the Penthouse and the Batcave is an industrial area.
Nevertheless, your post is spot on and I remember it. Crazy to think that after all of that, Bruce Wayne is only Batman for a matter of months up to two years.
Posted on 7/22/26 at 12:14 pm to Big Fat Guy
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This happens so often in The Dark Knight Rises that nobody thinks it's as good as The Dark Knight. See what I'm saying?
I don’t think that’s the reason people generally like TDK more than TDKR.
Posted on 7/22/26 at 12:39 pm to FairhopeTider
I think originally I was trying to work in how long the election of Harvey would have taken, his installation into office, prosecuting the mob, and the fact that Rachel, now aware of Bruce being Batman, started dating Harvey and is on the verge of marrying him.
Posted on 7/22/26 at 12:56 pm to Flats
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if it's just one issue it typically is inconsequential. But when you get multiple issues, even small ones, they add up and impact the experience.
The only true unforced and consequential error is Maggie gylenhaal imo
This post was edited on 7/22/26 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 7/22/26 at 1:13 pm to Big Fat Guy
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Why not just have the other school buses be driven by Joker's henchmen?
How do we know the bus drivers weren't his henchmen? It's been a while since I've watched it, but I don't remember the other bus drivers being addressed
Posted on 7/22/26 at 1:17 pm to jchamil
I already mentioned this, they have a sound effect of kids on a school bus when the school buses are going by.
Posted on 7/22/26 at 1:18 pm to Proximo
quote:I actually censored myself and didn't include that, but yes, definitely.
The only true unforced and consequential error is Maggie gylenhaal imo
Posted on 7/22/26 at 1:36 pm to Big Fat Guy
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I already mentioned this, they have a sound effect of kids on a school bus when the school buses are going by.
Right. That means kids are on the buses, but the drivers could still be his henchmen.
Posted on 7/22/26 at 2:27 pm to jchamil
quote:Why would they go to the trouble of hijacking school buses with kids on them? It looks like at least 6 or 7 school buses, that's a lot of work. They just needed some empty school buses to make it look like they were a line of regular school buses.
Right. That means kids are on the buses, but the drivers could still be his henchmen.
The cops heading for the bank might have also been on the lookout for a group of school buses that had been hijacked by the insane clown posse in your scenario.
Also, why wouldn't Nolan include a single shot of one of the Joker's insane lackeys driving one of those school buses to establish that fact? Making the stronger choice and then neglecting to show it would be an even bigger mistake. Because the ambiguity leaves him open to the same criticism as if he hadn't made the stronger choice.
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