re: Rewatched The Dark Knight...

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A crowd doesn't gather around a school bus driving into a bank? The convoy of school buses doesn't skip a beat when another school bus drives out of a bank and into their procession?

'Also the Joker's godlike ability to set up elaborate traps that would seem to require hundreds of people and months of planning to set up' is hard to believe.

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Agree. On my second viewing I really noticed these problems and they started to bug me as more plot hole arise throughout the rest of the movie. That's why I like Batman Begins more. TDKR is crap.

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things like the school bus sequence

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I would have cared less about the school bus sequence if it was a clear choice that the other buses were being driven by Joker's henchmen. But if they did that, the question arises right away about, would he have to kill the other drivers afterward too?

But the movie clearly has some sounds of kids talking on a bus, meaning it was just a procession of school buses taking kids to school.

There's just no way that a school bus drives out of a bank and strong arms its way into a line of school buses without someone beeping a horn at a minimum, or much more likely, saying wtf is this, stopping and calling the cops immediately.

Not to mention the unbelievable timing of a line of school buses passing by right as the Joker wrapped up the bank robbery.

If Nolan had made it Joker's men driving the buses, I wouldn't have anything to say.

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stopping and calling the cops immediately.

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True but they’re on the move and there were a bunch of buses. He likely would’ve stashed a getaway car in another lot or garage and been gone shortly thereafter

The falling off the building onto the car bothered me more than the bus scene

To each their own. Nolan was trying to make things more grounded and realistic than typical superhero movies. Doesn't help when you have unrealistic stuff happening that could have easily been fixed with stronger choices. And on top of that you're saying we shouldn't criticize Nolan at all because he's made awesome movies.

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Nothing but lies and deception from the Joker the whole movie, and Batman just takes his word that Rachel's at that address.

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Love makes men do crazy stuff

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I think this about most of Nolan's movies. They are great on first watch, the more you think about them the more they fall apart. Just don't think about them too hard and enjoy some escape is my approach.

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The Presitge is quite the opposite. It almost gets better upon more rewatches because you pickup on the little things that lead to the twist. It honestly might be his best movie.

The Dark Knight Rises ebbs and flows with me as far as rewatchability goes. Wayne losing his fortune, all of the police being trapped underground, Bruce fixing his back via pushups in a third world prison, etc. So many stretches that are kind of lazy on Nolan’s part. I do think they were planning to have the Joker in the third so it screwed things up but they tried to do too much.

not a regular on this board, although I may become one. im curious if its a universal opinion that the joker in dark night is the best character in action movie history

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give TDKR a bit of a pass since Ledger's death likely threw whatever outline he had for a 3rd film in the trash.

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I'm convinced Nolan would have followed more of the knightfall plotline from the comics. Would have been awesome to see Bruce tear through his rogues gallery in the first act only to have Bane show up when he's practically dead and snap him in half. That's the kind of story Nolan would eat up. Joker had a big hand in that plot.

Your examples are unrealistic things done plausibly.

The things I'm complaining about are unrealistic things done so implausibly that they take a lot of people out of the movie.

This happens so often in The Dark Knight Rises that nobody thinks it's as good as The Dark Knight. See what I'm saying?

Again with the school bus thing, Nolan would have us accept that the Joker timed a bank robbery so perfectly that he could drive the school bus seamlessly into a line of school buses passing by at the exact moment he was finished with the robbery? And the guy driving the school bus that let Joker into the line was just like, oh yeah, school bus must have accidentally crashed into that bank, lemme let him back in and just pretend like nothing happened. And the drivers ahead of and behind him who saw a school bus crashed into a bank in reverse and just idling there didn't wonder wtf that was all about?

Why not just have the other school buses be driven by Joker's henchmen? I mean I'm a common pauper but that seems like a way better, more believable / more plausible idea.