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re: Official Star Wars Episode 9 Discussion SPOILERS thread
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:26 pm to AlxTgr
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:26 pm to AlxTgr
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Anyone else bothered by force use inconsistency?
I feel like this is just Star Wars. In A New Hope, Obi Wan hits Stormtroopers with mind control. Then, no one ever really does it again, despite a number of circumstances where it would be super helpful.
Even in the original trilogy, Force use always was crafted for the plot.
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Posted on 12/30/19 at 1:51 pm to Rep520
Has anyone been able to bring someone back to life without themselves dying?
Posted on 12/30/19 at 2:30 pm to Rep520
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Bringing the Emperor back was sort of a lazy, safe choice to me at the beginning. But as the movie went along, I was fine with it. Star Wars doesn't have to be constantly new. It was conventional but entertaining and felt like a continuation of the originals. That's good enough for me.
I'm not ok with the lack of explanation because of how it impacts the redemption of Anakin. Anakin brought balance for a few minutes. Making Rey a Palpatine completely flips the entire focus of the saga.
Lucas always said Star Wars was about the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker. The ST transformed it into the Palpatine saga through the Skywalker's lens.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 2:45 pm to BlackAdam
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Lucas always said Star Wars was about the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker.
This doesn't really work for an entire trilogy afterward. Star Wars has to be about more than just Anakin.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 2:48 pm to LSUBoo
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This doesn't really work for an entire trilogy afterward. Star Wars has to be about more than just Anakin.
Yeah. As soon as Episode 7 got greenlit, it had to be about more than Anakin.
Unless you tried to resurrect Vader, which I think would have been a disaster. His character arc was done in Return of the Jedi. If the series continued from there, it had to expand.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 3:27 pm to Rep520
They had Luke. shite, I am still mad about that.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 4:20 pm to LSUBoo
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This doesn't really work for an entire trilogy afterward. Star Wars has to be about more than just Anakin.
You can make it about more than Anakin without diminishing what he did.
JJ started down this path in VII. We saw Kylo struggling with who his Grandfather was, and what that meant about him. That seemed to be setting up for the struggle against the next threat to the Galaxy in Snoke/the First Order. Instead Snoke wasn't the next threat, he was a puppet of the last threat that hadn't been defeated after all. Anakin's redemption didn't mean all that much. Luke failed at re-starting the jedi. The Skywalkers really didn't accomplish all that much.
The government Leia was instrumental in starting kicked her out, then was destroyed. The Jedi Order Luke started failed, all the students were killed, and the best student fell to the dark side, and a Palpatine once again brought order to the galaxy. The Skywalker Saga became the Palpatine Saga.
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Posted on 12/30/19 at 4:27 pm to AlxTgr
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Not even that is true. The Snoke who was killed in TLJ could have been a mere clone of the "main" Snoke. They did the clone thing anyway, so it wouldn't have been a long walk.
Responding to this from blueboy in the other thread where I missed it was non-spoilers.
I think Snoke woyld have had two issues. First, even more so than it already is, Kylo Ren's arc would have been a direct copy of the OT. He would have started off as a powerful apprentice who takes out his master in the climax of the trilogy.
It also would have almost recycled TLJ in a Ren/Snoke conflict. If Ren got him in TLJ, it's hard to build that conflict up for ROS.
It would be a fight the same guy you already beat for Ren. Unless you flip Kylo's role too.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 5:12 pm to Rep520
Rey should have become the big bad after finding out she was a Palpatine.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 5:54 pm to BlackAdam
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You can make it about more than Anakin without diminishing what he did.
Agreed, but JJ was in a corner with only a few ways out, and the return of Palpatine was the best option.
Second best option would have been to have Rey go full on dark side. A little too much parallel to GOT though, plus you know KK would never allow it.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 8:58 pm to LSUBoo
i know we’re talking Star Wars here but too much of the new trilogy was just way too over the top. Starkiller Base was bad enough...but Palpatines hidden super Sith Planet of evil was a bit too much.
You have admire his management skill to construct 100 or so destroyers that can each kill a planet....staffed by thousands of troops....all on a hyper unfriendly dark and lightning strewn planet....all via his all stone lair with no lights, command centers...or even a desktop. All while dead.
It really makes TOS look like a documentary. I never thought I’d say this...but compared to these movies there was a level of realism in a fantastic world to the TOS that I didn’t appreciate.
You have admire his management skill to construct 100 or so destroyers that can each kill a planet....staffed by thousands of troops....all on a hyper unfriendly dark and lightning strewn planet....all via his all stone lair with no lights, command centers...or even a desktop. All while dead.
It really makes TOS look like a documentary. I never thought I’d say this...but compared to these movies there was a level of realism in a fantastic world to the TOS that I didn’t appreciate.
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Posted on 12/30/19 at 11:12 pm to SquatchDawg
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I know we’re talking Star Wars here but too much of the new trilogy was just way too over the top. Starkiller Base was bad enough...but Palpatines hidden super Sith Planet of evil was a bit too much
I agree.
Palpatine was always definitely a/the primary villain, but his Sith throne room/arena just seemed too...satanic, for lack of a better word. It was over the top, even for Star Wars.
Couple of WTF moments and questions:
- too many McGuffins and getting the thing to get the other thing to get to the place. JJ should have consolidated the Sith dagger and wayfinder.
- too many sacrifices and deaths that got overridden. Chewy dies and then he doesn't. 3PO has his memory wiped but then it's restored (somewhat). Keri Russell's character was dead and then she wasn't. Ren's dead then he's healed, then dies again but then climbs out of the pit. I was half expecting Hux to be at the celebration at the end.
- so was the Palpatine in ROTJ just a clone as well?
- was the medal Chewie's medal he should've gotten at the end of ANH, or was it Han's from ANH that Leia would have wanted him to have in the event of his death?
- why wasn't the Lars farm a charred wreck? Looks just like it did before the stormtroopers raided it in ANH.
Also, it felt a bit fan service-y at times, which I was actually fine with considering the "tear it all down" undertones of TLJ.
All in all, I liked it. It was respectful enough of the OT lore and characters while still feeling like they were making some sort of effort to move the story of the new characters along.
I also liked the FU's to Rian Johnson thoughout the movie. Holdo's move being poo-pooed as a one in a million shot. Luke catching the saber and telling Rey to respect it. Telling Rey he was wrong about not wanting to leave Ahch-To.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 11:47 pm to Feral
Well said. Enjoyed it, a lot more than TLJ. JJ did well with the shite sandwich he was given.
Really thought chewy died, was kinda glad but bummed when it came out he wasn't. Seemed like death was a joke throughout the movie.
Really thought chewy died, was kinda glad but bummed when it came out he wasn't. Seemed like death was a joke throughout the movie.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 10:38 am to hawgfaninc
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- too many McGuffins and getting the thing to get the other thing to get to the place. JJ should have consolidated the Sith dagger and wayfinder.
They went to Pasaana to find the wayfinder, but they found a dagger that told the location of the wayfinder.
The dagger was unnecessary. Why did they (and who made) a random dagger with the location of the wayfinder inscribed on the blade? Given that the Wayfinder was located in the ruins of the Deathstar, I am assuming it was made at some point in the last 30 years.
I am actually glad they didn't kill off any heroes (except Leia but she doesn't really count) this time around. Fwiw, I wouldn't have minded them killing off R2D2 or C3PO in one last heroic moment since it's the end of the skywalker saga.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 11:56 am to BulldogXero
If force users can now manipulate the physical world through the force and even fight light saber battles through the force, then why is Luke dead?
This post was edited on 1/2/20 at 11:58 am
Posted on 1/2/20 at 12:00 pm to Feral
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Palpatine was always definitely a/the primary villain, but his Sith throne room/arena just seemed too...satanic, for lack of a better word. It was over the top, even for Star Wars.
Star wars has always failed in its ability to show just how bad the dark side characters actually are.
His throne was the only thing that did make sense.
The entire thing likely being a force nexus meant to concentrate his power.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 12:17 pm to TheFolker
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If force users can now manipulate the physical world through the force and even fight light saber battles through the force, then why is Luke dead?
The real answer is it's a movie.
Secondarily, Palpatine says he needs the power from Rey and Kylo to truly revive himself. It seems the force can let people influence things after death, and you can get into the "unnatural" state through the dark side, but it takes more to draw from truly come back to life.
That's roughly consistent with how Kylo dies bringing Rey back to life. He has to transfer all his life force to her to bring her back in the same way the Emperor was trying to siphon his and Rey's power to fully come back to life.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 4:37 pm to Feral
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was it Han's from ANH that Leia would have wanted him to have in the event of his death?
This. Leia was holding it when she was on her deathbed.
Posted on 1/3/20 at 5:21 am to TheeRealCarolina
Just watched it.
It was much better than TLJ (low bar).
There was a lot packed into that film. I feel like Abrams could have taken the plot to just this movie and, with some tweaking, made it into the trilogy and we would have all been much better for it.
Also, the movie made it pretty clear just how bad of spot Rian Johnson left Disney in after TLJ.
It was much better than TLJ (low bar).
There was a lot packed into that film. I feel like Abrams could have taken the plot to just this movie and, with some tweaking, made it into the trilogy and we would have all been much better for it.
Also, the movie made it pretty clear just how bad of spot Rian Johnson left Disney in after TLJ.
Posted on 1/3/20 at 5:50 am to Antonio Moss
After the hole dug by The Last Jedi, I think they should have just said frick it to the trilogy format and made two different movies. This movies biggest problem, IMO (and I’m sure this isn’t exactly a fresh new opinion) is it tried to combine two movies (one to undo the damage from episode 8 and one to conclude the series) into one movie.
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