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re: Official Star Wars Episode 9 Discussion SPOILERS thread
Posted on 12/26/19 at 11:23 am to Rou Leed
Posted on 12/26/19 at 11:23 am to Rou Leed
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The whole "chosen one/immaculate conception" thing for Anakin was something that got retconned out because it was in poor taste really
you think that's why Disney retconned it? quote:
He didnt bring balance to anything. He diced up some younglings and other equally inept jedi. Anakin never really mattered all that much. Or Vader for that matter. Vader got replaced by a muppet with a wierdly shaped head in the new films. Lotta people on this board just need to accept and embrace change.
You're just trolling now.
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Posted on 12/26/19 at 12:47 pm to The Eric
quote:Not me. Ben was a terrible character.
Anybody feel like the ending would have been a bit better if Rey died and Ben survived?
Posted on 12/26/19 at 2:40 pm to Scoob
My question. When did this vision of Luke and Leia training together supposedly take place? After return of the jedi?
I will be honest and say that it was entertaining. I just get stuck on a female lead winning everything always (and leia beating luke in the above scene) and the dopiness of Kylo Ren.
I mean we have the villain of this trilogy that is getting joked at by his crew and he cant beat his girl counterpart. I would have felt better after the kiss if he had lived and moved forward with redemption.
The forced diversity is obvious also but I suppose that is every movie nowadays. It is annoying to me.
I will be honest and say that it was entertaining. I just get stuck on a female lead winning everything always (and leia beating luke in the above scene) and the dopiness of Kylo Ren.
I mean we have the villain of this trilogy that is getting joked at by his crew and he cant beat his girl counterpart. I would have felt better after the kiss if he had lived and moved forward with redemption.
The forced diversity is obvious also but I suppose that is every movie nowadays. It is annoying to me.
Posted on 12/26/19 at 5:21 pm to crazyatthecamp
I enjoyed it. All things considered it did try and make up forTLJ. I thought it was a pretty entertaining movie
Posted on 12/26/19 at 6:59 pm to statman34
Saw it a second time - JJ made it pretty clear that her healing and “new powers” like the FaceTime with Kylo thing - was because they were the diad thing. A power that hadn’t been seen in ages. The palpitine that dies in ROJ was a clone so that doesn’t mess that up. And the medal that was given to Chuey was in Laos’s hands when she died. Seemed to button everything up nicely and it brings harmony to everything AND makes the last Jedi actually work and become a nice departure in they entire series. Kudos to JJ
Posted on 12/26/19 at 8:30 pm to NashvilleTider
Should have done a different final scene. Chewy, R2, and C3PO should have been with Lando. They should have been the ones on a hill looking at the setting sun. Would have garnered more of the feels.
Posted on 12/26/19 at 9:01 pm to crazyatthecamp
quote:It would have to be. He told her on Endor that she was his sister, and had his abilities. She was like, no fricking way... but then acknowledged that she knew that deep down.
My question. When did this vision of Luke and Leia training together supposedly take place? After return of the jedi?
Makes 100% sense that he would teach her what he knew, they were (at that time) the only Force users that he knew of, and she was on his team. If Han could do it, he would have too.
quote:I'm not bothered by Rey being a girl, but yeah, she needed to struggle some. There was no drama in this because she never lost.
I just get stuck on a female lead winning everything always
quote:Come on now, Luke was training her and that was her final exam. He's not trying to win, he's trying to push her.
(and leia beating luke in the above scene)
quote:Rey is the most naturally powerful Force user in the trilogy, and happens to be a girl. A lightsaber probably weighs less than 1 lb and would slice through a block of granite if you dropped it;
the dopiness of Kylo Ren.
I mean we have the villain of this trilogy that is getting joked at by his crew and he cant beat his girl counterpart. I would have felt better after the kiss if he had lived and moved forward with redemption.
The forced diversity is obvious also but I suppose that is every movie nowadays. It is annoying to me.
a decent baton twirler with a lightsaber could probably kill a Navy Seal. Especially if she also can use the Force (magic powers) to frick with your mind and move shite around.
You need to get over the gender thing. It isn't like she got in the octogon with Conor McGregor and beat his arse hand-to-hand.
This post was edited on 12/26/19 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 12/26/19 at 11:44 pm to Scoob
Anyone else notice how Daisy Ridley looks noticeably more thin in this film?
Posted on 12/27/19 at 1:22 am to NashvilleTider
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AND makes the last Jedi actually work
Just saw it yesterday for the first time. So was Luke basically rope-a-doping Rey (and the audience) with his washed-up bum/hermit bit on Ahch-To?
Luke can't save the Galaxy by jumping in his X-wing (what Rey and the audience are hoping for) and flying to the salt planet to kill Ben Solo. He is passing the torch to Rey. Her destiny is to kill her grandfather, and Luke's job (like Yoda in the OT) is to guide her. This actually makes the disappointment of TLJ make sense to me now. I was expecting the worst from IX after reading the reviews on here.
Posted on 12/27/19 at 9:22 am to TheeRealCarolina
I started reading this thread because I went last night to check it out and enjoyed it. My kids and wife enjoyed it as well.
Once I started reading it, I barely could get past the first page of the bleeding vagina the OP turned out to be and just ragged and ragged on tiny things.
Once I started reading it, I barely could get past the first page of the bleeding vagina the OP turned out to be and just ragged and ragged on tiny things.
Posted on 12/27/19 at 9:49 am to Rou Leed
quote:Granted the new trilogy has royally screwed the entire series, but this just isn't true. At the beginning of the prequals there were thousands of jedi and two sith. At the end of Revenge of the Sith there are two Jedi (Yoda and Obi Wan) and two Sith (Palps and Vader).
He didnt bring balance to anything.
A great jumping off point after Return of the Jedi would be the imbalance created after Vader and Palps are gone. Could've focused on Luke trying to rebuild the Jedi and inevitably giving rise to new Sith a la The Force Awakens. Or Luke trying to train Leia and she goes bad.
A universe of possibilities and Disney serves us this crap sandwich.
Posted on 12/27/19 at 10:04 am to Rou Leed
quote:
The whole "chosen one/immaculate conception" thing for Anakin was something that got retconned out because it was in poor taste really.
Yea, that's not why they did it.
quote:
He didnt bring balance to anything.
How did he not balance things?
quote:
Vader got replaced by a muppet with a wierdly shaped head in the new films. Lotta people on this board just need to accept and embrace change.
I mean, i'm glad you can recognize the massive flaws that these new movies create in the continuity of the story. At least you got that part right.
Posted on 12/27/19 at 10:08 am to Bamadiver
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Granted the new trilogy has royally screwed the entire series, but this just isn't true. At the beginning of the prequals there were thousands of jedi and two sith. At the end of Revenge of the Sith there are two Jedi (Yoda and Obi Wan) and two Sith (Palps and Vader).
The new trilogy is such a colossal failure because of this. They even hinted at the reason's that Anakin balanced things, but still completely wrote it away with their terribly story.
The dogmatic views of the Jedi had to be purged. They had become everything that they stood against.
quote:
A great jumping off point after Return of the Jedi would be the imbalance created after Vader and Palps are gone. Could've focused on Luke trying to rebuild the Jedi and inevitably giving rise to new Sith a la The Force Awakens. Or Luke trying to train Leia and she goes bad.
I would have preferred they explore more of the Grey Jedi with Luke. Have him learn from Anakin what he truly had to do. I mean the understanding Anakin had in the Mortis Trilogy, they should have had him understand that once he was finally redeemed. Use that to help Luke try and start a new order that is truly in balance with the force. The enemy wouldn't have to be a Sith at that point. It could be something else, Yuuzahn Vong for instance.
This post was edited on 12/27/19 at 10:12 am
Posted on 12/27/19 at 10:19 am to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:I had hopes this was happening with the journals and the teaser quote from The Last Jedi about the Jedi ending.
I would have preferred they explore more of the Grey Jedi with Luke. Have him learn from Anakin what he truly had to do.
quote:Took me a few books to get into the Vong story back in the day, but once they worked in Thrawn and Palps foreseeing their coming it really did work.
It could be something else, Yuuzahn Vong for instance.
So many possibilities that were wasted. Yes, I intend to continue melting.
Posted on 12/27/19 at 12:25 pm to Bamadiver
y’all are such bitches lol
Posted on 12/27/19 at 12:26 pm to AlxTgr
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Ben was a terrible character.
I agree. I wish he would have had his head chopped off. His whole redemption story at the end made we want to puke.
*On the whole Episode 9 was good and it felt like a throwback for the most part. They wrapped up a lot things nicely.
Posted on 12/27/19 at 12:37 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
1. The birth thing is in retcon limbo at the moment. A recent Lucasfilms statement said Palpatine is not the dad, but thats a retcon of a retcon so who knows where that will end up.
2. The force wasnt balanced. Every show new jedis pop up that made it. (Asoka,the two dudes on the ship cartoon, baby yoda, etc..). There was also many Sith that made it through (Palpatine, Maul, Mauls yellow brother.Ventress, sisters, etc..) So you cant really say it was balanced because that has been retconned out completely.
3. Basically Vader killed Mace Windu and blew up Alderaan. Thats his only significant actions. He got tons of people killed on two failed death stars and killed a fake palpatine.
2. The force wasnt balanced. Every show new jedis pop up that made it. (Asoka,the two dudes on the ship cartoon, baby yoda, etc..). There was also many Sith that made it through (Palpatine, Maul, Mauls yellow brother.Ventress, sisters, etc..) So you cant really say it was balanced because that has been retconned out completely.
3. Basically Vader killed Mace Windu and blew up Alderaan. Thats his only significant actions. He got tons of people killed on two failed death stars and killed a fake palpatine.
This post was edited on 12/27/19 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 12/27/19 at 2:25 pm to Prominentwon
Not surprised at all that the people most pissed at this movie in particular are fans of the kids cartoons and dogshit prequels.
This really needed two small things to go from Okay to Good.
1. A middle entry in the series that set up Palpatine masterminding the whole plot. Some sort of reveal after "Snoke" was killed, maybe even that message from the crawl announcing his return.
2. Carrie Fisher to have not died and been able to film a couple of small scenes training Rey.
All told, I think Abrams was a miracle worker for turning the turd salad he was handed into a passable, somewhat enjoyable movie.
The strength of the prior two movies (Driver and Ridley) are what they relied on most heavily here, and I thought that continued to work. They had every right to phone it in after that horrible second movie, but I thought they killed it.
This really needed two small things to go from Okay to Good.
1. A middle entry in the series that set up Palpatine masterminding the whole plot. Some sort of reveal after "Snoke" was killed, maybe even that message from the crawl announcing his return.
2. Carrie Fisher to have not died and been able to film a couple of small scenes training Rey.
All told, I think Abrams was a miracle worker for turning the turd salad he was handed into a passable, somewhat enjoyable movie.
The strength of the prior two movies (Driver and Ridley) are what they relied on most heavily here, and I thought that continued to work. They had every right to phone it in after that horrible second movie, but I thought they killed it.
This post was edited on 12/27/19 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 12/27/19 at 5:11 pm to Muthsera
One good thing that has actually come out of all this is that people finally realized that they should stop responding to DisplacedBuckeye.
Posted on 12/27/19 at 5:12 pm to Scruffy
Someone missed the 20 page thread because I said force healing wasn't new.
Nice try, though.
Nice try, though.
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