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re: Obtuse Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice TD review thread (SPOILERS p5+)
Posted on 4/9/16 at 2:15 pm to Fewer Kilometers
Posted on 4/9/16 at 2:15 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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But at the same time I want to see another take on Green Lantern. I want a great Cyborg/Flash/Aquaman movie. If Justice League does like this one, do those movies get made? (I can't remember if those three come out before JL or after).
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So far we've only seen the Snyder movies. If Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman are a mess, then I'd go into full panic
I've said forever im not going to see most of these comic book movies bc they drive me crazy just bc of the sheer volume. Hollywood running out of ideas. I still end up watching them though and walk away mad like i did with BM vs SM.
I'll go see suicide squad for sure, actually am looking forward to it. But i cant think of a single super hero/comic book movie other than that that I would want to go see or want remade. If a movie sucks, let it suck. No need to try again like Fantastic Four and make one even worse.
This post was edited on 4/10/16 at 6:35 pm
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Posted on 4/10/16 at 10:50 am to iwyLSUiwy
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iwyLSUiwy
You come into a 68 page thread, after hibernating for however long, and all you have to say about the movie is you walked away mad? We need to know what you think! I demand a full writeup in classic iwy fashion
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But i cant think of a single super hero/comic book movie other than that that I would want to go see
Are you even gonna Civil War, bro?
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Fantastic Four
FF could still be a great series if Marvel got their hands on them. Let the current slate of movies play out, and after a good while let the guys who know what they're doing start over with them.
This post was edited on 4/10/16 at 10:51 am
Posted on 4/10/16 at 11:17 am to iwyLSUiwy
I am pumped for Civil War, Wonder Woman, Doctor Strange, Black Panther, and the Infinity War movies.
I think for me Suicide Squad lost some sheen for me with the reshoots and how bad BvS was for me.
I think for me Suicide Squad lost some sheen for me with the reshoots and how bad BvS was for me.
Posted on 4/10/16 at 11:22 am to ThoseGuys
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I think for me Suicide Squad lost some sheen for me with the reshoots
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Chris Evans spotted back on the set of Civil War for some reshoots 8:01 AM - 28 Jan 2016
Does this dampen enthusiasm for the film? Re-shoots are a normal process of filmaking. Media has a huge impact on people's perceptions unfortunately. Civil War is going to a fun movie and I'm looking forward to it...re-shoots or not.
This post was edited on 4/10/16 at 11:24 am
Posted on 4/10/16 at 6:49 pm to stuckintexas
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You come into a 68 page thread, after hibernating for however long, and all you have to say about the movie is you walked away mad? We need to know what you think! I demand a full writeup in classic iwy fashion
Well its been over a week since i've seen it and these days, with my memory, unless i've seen it 5 times or basically bring my tablet to the theater and do a writeup while watching the movie i'm not going to remember enough. That being said, i'll try...
At the beginning, why is Bruce Wayne driving a jeep renegade? I mean i like jeeps, i've had one, wife actually wanted a renegade. Good song for the jeep renegade commercial too. We're not rolling in the money right now but even on our budget when we went and looked at the renegades we we're like man there aren't too many nice features with these bad boys. I can't imagine Bruce Wayne going down to the local jeep dealership and being like "well the jacked up wrangler is nice and all but i tell ya salesman, the 2x4 renegade is really more my style to drive around town in."
So the movie didn't get off to a good start. Don't remember a whole lot after that.
That and Alfred looked about 10 years older than Bruce max. I need Alfred to be almost dying in my Batman movies.
Posted on 4/10/16 at 10:55 pm to BigAppleTiger
Reshoots are common in Hollywood.
This does not feel like a normal reshoot. This feels like a reaction. (including a report saying it is a reaction)
This does not feel like a normal reshoot. This feels like a reaction. (including a report saying it is a reaction)
Posted on 4/10/16 at 11:00 pm to ThoseGuys
quote:I don't care what they did reshoots for. I don't care if they are "reacting". If the movie is anything like that last trailer, then they did good. If it took reshoots for them to achieve that, then thank god for the reshoots.
Reshoots are common in Hollywood. This does not feel like a normal reshoot. This feels like a reaction. (including a report saying it is a reaction)
Posted on 4/10/16 at 11:06 pm to abellsujr
Oh absolutely. I want all comic book movies to be amazing. I am waiting on our Godfather film (the transcendent film of a genre). But news from this movie has hampered my expectations. It did the same with Ant-Man and that turned out to be a top five for me.
Posted on 4/11/16 at 12:25 am to ThoseGuys
Well, I know its a bit late but here is my spoilerific review.
the good
The actors do a solid job with what they are given. Gadot was much better than I anticipated. Superman was a far more relatable character here. There are some solid action sequences and the CG is pretty great for the most part. There were quite a few nods to Death of Superman and Dark Knight Returns which made my inner nerd happy. When Snyder takes things straight off the page are when he has his best moments.
the bad
Paper thin plot that would likely be incomprehensible if I hadn't been a comic reader. There is no way in hell my SO would have understood that Flash from the future sequence had she not been watching the CW TV show w/me. Even then, she had to ask me about it once the movie was over just to make sure.
Batman wants to fight Superman because.... well just because... and then it takes all of two seconds to make up.
The entire sequence at the docks where Batman and Superman first meet was lame and kind of pointless. Turning the otherwise kick arse opening where you see Bruce drive around Metropolis in a Jeep was
Not only is it silly to have Bruce fricking Wayne driving a Renegade (why not that upcoming Jeep Grand Cherokee Hellcat if it just had to be a Jeep?) but what the hell was Warner thinking by letting Jeep release the bulk of that sequence in an ad before the movie hit? Thanks for ruining the suspense guys.
Lois is still far too often in the right place at the right time simply to advance the plot. She's actually a pretty shite reporter.
TOO MANY DREAM SEQUENCES. WTF you can't advance the plot in a better way?? They are part of what really made this feel like multiple movies all mashed into one.
Is Batman wearing a power suit that we can't see all of during the movie? Otherwise WTF is up with him crawling on the ceiling and throwing people halfway across the room like he's a super soldier?
Once again, we have a movie where Lex Luthor's plan makes no fricking sense whatsoever. I feel using Doomsday and the Death of Superman story in the second film of a shared universe is again, like in MOS w/Zod destroying half of Metropolis, a case of too much too soon.
Killing an unnamed Jimmy Olson at the start of the flick. Yea, thanks for the frick you Snyder. I'd rather not have the character at all than do that kind of bullshite.
Nothing feels earned. There is so much going on but very little to give any real meaning behind it. Doomsday is ridiculously overpowered, basically mashing him up with Bizzaro was dumb, and having him only appear for the last fight was silly b/c it makes it impossible for him to instill the kind of OH frick THEY ARE frickED feeling needed for a Death of Superman story-line.
They really should have released another stand alone Superman flick as well as ones for Batman, Wonder Woman, and the Flash before this. It would have made it much easier to balance all the characters instead of the clunky way they were all given fast intros.
All in all... I liked it better than MOS but not by much. I guess I'd give it a C+ and hope that the extra half hour in the ultimate cut helps flesh things out.
I'll see Suicide Squad just b/c the previews look cool but Justice League will need to be helmed by somebody else that doesn't blatantly hate so many aspects of Superman to get me any kind of hyped.
the good
The actors do a solid job with what they are given. Gadot was much better than I anticipated. Superman was a far more relatable character here. There are some solid action sequences and the CG is pretty great for the most part. There were quite a few nods to Death of Superman and Dark Knight Returns which made my inner nerd happy. When Snyder takes things straight off the page are when he has his best moments.
the bad
Paper thin plot that would likely be incomprehensible if I hadn't been a comic reader. There is no way in hell my SO would have understood that Flash from the future sequence had she not been watching the CW TV show w/me. Even then, she had to ask me about it once the movie was over just to make sure.
Batman wants to fight Superman because.... well just because... and then it takes all of two seconds to make up.
The entire sequence at the docks where Batman and Superman first meet was lame and kind of pointless. Turning the otherwise kick arse opening where you see Bruce drive around Metropolis in a Jeep was
Not only is it silly to have Bruce fricking Wayne driving a Renegade (why not that upcoming Jeep Grand Cherokee Hellcat if it just had to be a Jeep?) but what the hell was Warner thinking by letting Jeep release the bulk of that sequence in an ad before the movie hit? Thanks for ruining the suspense guys. Lois is still far too often in the right place at the right time simply to advance the plot. She's actually a pretty shite reporter.
TOO MANY DREAM SEQUENCES. WTF you can't advance the plot in a better way?? They are part of what really made this feel like multiple movies all mashed into one.
Is Batman wearing a power suit that we can't see all of during the movie? Otherwise WTF is up with him crawling on the ceiling and throwing people halfway across the room like he's a super soldier?
Once again, we have a movie where Lex Luthor's plan makes no fricking sense whatsoever. I feel using Doomsday and the Death of Superman story in the second film of a shared universe is again, like in MOS w/Zod destroying half of Metropolis, a case of too much too soon.
Killing an unnamed Jimmy Olson at the start of the flick. Yea, thanks for the frick you Snyder. I'd rather not have the character at all than do that kind of bullshite.
Nothing feels earned. There is so much going on but very little to give any real meaning behind it. Doomsday is ridiculously overpowered, basically mashing him up with Bizzaro was dumb, and having him only appear for the last fight was silly b/c it makes it impossible for him to instill the kind of OH frick THEY ARE frickED feeling needed for a Death of Superman story-line.
They really should have released another stand alone Superman flick as well as ones for Batman, Wonder Woman, and the Flash before this. It would have made it much easier to balance all the characters instead of the clunky way they were all given fast intros.
All in all... I liked it better than MOS but not by much. I guess I'd give it a C+ and hope that the extra half hour in the ultimate cut helps flesh things out.
I'll see Suicide Squad just b/c the previews look cool but Justice League will need to be helmed by somebody else that doesn't blatantly hate so many aspects of Superman to get me any kind of hyped.
This post was edited on 4/11/16 at 3:12 am
Posted on 4/11/16 at 1:16 pm to ThoseGuys
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. I am waiting on our Godfather film (the transcendent film of a genre)
Easy answer to that is Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. Comic book movies before them, as a whole, were silly and unbelievable.
Not saying that you watch BB and TDK and think its based on a true story. But they were dark, and more than any other super hero movies out there you could almost say they were real life.
%90 of comic book movies since then have tried to grasp that same feeling, and have moved to being darker. They changed a weak genre and is about as transcending as you're ever going to get for the genre.
This post was edited on 4/11/16 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 4/11/16 at 1:23 pm to Dr RC
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Paper thin plot that would likely be incomprehensible if I hadn't been a comic reader. There is no way in hell my SO would have understood that Flash from the future sequence had she not been watching the CW TV show w/me. Even then, she had to ask me about it once the movie was over just to make sure.
That's how I was and I watch the CW Flash religiously.
Posted on 4/11/16 at 1:29 pm to Dr RC
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Nothing feels earned.
this about sums it up
Posted on 4/11/16 at 1:49 pm to hawgfaninc
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Comic book lovers not liking the movie because it was different from the comic books amuse me.
It's like they think the comic book version of these characters and storys is the end all be all. Heaven forbid a director puts his own spin on a character or story.
Not trying to be a dick but attitudes like this annoy the hell out of me. The entire reason a property like this is even made IS BECAUSE OF THE FANS. You should NEVER crap all over the core of your fanbase. You should NEVER have a director who seems to actively hate major aspects of a property. If you want a movie of an adapted work to do massive business you absolutely MUST appease the core fanbase first b/c they are the ones most likely to see the movie multiple times and sing its praises. When you change so much and clearly don't understand the characters you essentially wipe out a group of people who would do tons of free advertising for you.
This isn't just for comic adaptations either. It's beyond frustrating when a book or TV series gets turned into a movie but then some arrogant director decides he/she knows better and essentially makes it "Product X" in name only. Why do you think so many Micheal Crichton adaptations are loathed by the book readers? Or why do you think the two piss poor attempts at Clive Cussler's Dirk Pitt novels failed? When you don't trust the source material and straight up give your built in fan base the finger you are never going to be as successful as the property's success in other media indicates you should be because you are chasing off the very people most likely to want to see your film right off the bat.
There is a HUGE difference between putting your own spin on something and simply taking the names and basic framework of an existing property while throwing everything else out.
Things like Snyder saying "well there is no room in this universe for Jimmy Olsen so we decided to kill him at the start of this" and then not even naming him are massively insulting. When you factor in the time he wastes on a totally new and pointless character like Jenny at the Daily Planet it becomes all the more grating. I would have rather JO simply been turned into Jenny than get a big fat frick you we shot Jimmy in the face b/c there's no room for him bullshite.
Posted on 4/11/16 at 2:06 pm to Dr RC
Not only did he shite on what we know as Superman, but he made him a fricking careless idiot. He made no sense as a character. I will never understand WTF Snyder was thinking.
ETA: He would've been a bad character no matter who he was in that movie. It made no sense.
ETA: He would've been a bad character no matter who he was in that movie. It made no sense.
This post was edited on 4/11/16 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 4/11/16 at 2:09 pm to Dr RC
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Things like Snyder saying "well there is no room in this universe for Jimmy Olsen so we decided to kill him at the start of this" and then not even naming him are massively insulting. When you factor in the time he wastes on a totally new and pointless character like Jenny at the Daily Planet it becomes all the more grating. I would have rather JO simply been turned into Jenny than get a big fat frick you we shot Jimmy in the face b/c there's no room for him bullshite.
Manufactured outrage after you read Snyder's interview. No one gave a shite about the CIA agent getting killed off until Snyder did his behind the scenes interview.
Now everyone is pissed that they didn't have that knowledge going in so they could've added it to their in-movie outrage.
Posted on 4/11/16 at 2:21 pm to Fewer Kilometers
The main issue with the Jimmy Olsen thing was that he seemed to do it only for the purposes of trolling fans. Why does he want to do this?
It's not "Hey, we know this will be sad for fans, but we have to do it because it's a crucial part of the story". It's "This will be fun!". It just shows some of the careless thinking that Snyder put into this movie.
ETA: I honestly think he might have been on drugs.
quote:Why is this fun? What is "fun" about it? Was it "fun" when Superman died? Honestly, it seems kind of psychotic on his part.
“We just did it as this little aside because we had been tracking where we thought the movies were gonna go, and we don’t have room for Jimmy Olsen in our big pantheon of characters, but we can have fun with him, right?”
It's not "Hey, we know this will be sad for fans, but we have to do it because it's a crucial part of the story". It's "This will be fun!".
It just shows some of the careless thinking that Snyder put into this movie. ETA: I honestly think he might have been on drugs.
This post was edited on 4/11/16 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 4/11/16 at 2:26 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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Manufactured outrage after you read Snyder's interview. No one gave a shite about the CIA agent getting killed off until Snyder did his behind the scenes interview.
Its not manufactured outrage. For one, I know who Scoot McNairy is from Halt and Catch Fire. So when I was sitting through the credits and saw Jimmy Olsen's name pop up next to his all I could think was WTF? He was JO, they didn't name him, and they shot him in the face after 30 seconds of screen time? Then I googled it and saw Snyder's god awful reasoning which is little more than a frick you I didn't like him so I killed him explanation.
Good for you that this flick gave you a boner but it's not manufactured outrage to be upset a longtime character in a comic series like Superman was treated with such disrespect.
Again, I'd rather not have him at all or have the Jenny character be Jimmy than use him in such a totally pointless way.
This post was edited on 4/11/16 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 4/11/16 at 2:30 pm to Dr RC
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Not trying to be a dick but attitudes like this annoy the hell out of me. The entire reason a property like this is even made IS BECAUSE OF THE FANS. You should NEVER crap all over the core of your fanbase. You should NEVER have a director who seems to actively hate major aspects of a property. If you want a movie of an adapted work to do massive business you absolutely MUST appease the core fanbase first b/c they are the ones most likely to see the movie multiple times and sing its praises. When you change so much and clearly don't understand the characters you essentially wipe out a group of people who would do tons of free advertising for you.
This isn't just for comic adaptations either. It's beyond frustrating when a book or TV series gets turned into a movie but then some arrogant director decides he/she knows better and essentially makes it "Product X" in name only. Why do you think so many Micheal Crichton adaptations are loathed by the book readers? Or why do you think the two piss poor attempts at Clive Cussler's Dirk Pitt novels failed? When you don't trust the source material and straight up give your built in fan base the finger you are never going to be as successful as the property's success in other media indicates you should be because you are chasing off the very people most likely to want to see your film right off the bat.
There is a HUGE difference between putting your own spin on something and simply taking the names and basic framework of an existing property while throwing everything else out.
Things like Snyder saying "well there is no room in this universe for Jimmy Olsen so we decided to kill him at the start of this" and then not even naming him are massively insulting. When you factor in the time he wastes on a totally new and pointless character like Jenny at the Daily Planet it becomes all the more grating. I would have rather JO simply been turned into Jenny than get a big fat frick you we shot Jimmy in the face b/c there's no room for him bullshite.
Boom-worthy.
Posted on 4/11/16 at 3:14 pm to Dr RC
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Not trying to be a dick but attitudes like this annoy the hell out of me. The entire reason a property like this is even made IS BECAUSE OF THE FANS. You should NEVER crap all over the core of your fanbase. You should NEVER have a director who seems to actively hate major aspects of a property. If you want a movie of an adapted work to do massive business you absolutely MUST appease the core fanbase first b/c they are the ones most likely to see the movie multiple times and sing its praises. When you change so much and clearly don't understand the characters you essentially wipe out a group of people who would do tons of free advertising for you.
This is still what amazes me most about this duo of movies from Snyder. Essentially, to make a Superman and/or Batman movie you need to cast well and not stray too far away from what makes everyone ALREADY like them. I was one of those that gave him tons of rope with MoS...I kind of dug the idea that the world would be scared of him and his powers and a good measure of caution would even be wise form his parents, etc. But I gave that rope assuming by movie 2 we'd get the REAL Superman. Instead, we got more of the same...and when he was doing some Superman type stuff, he seems to be pissed about doing it and I kind of don't blame him because in this universe everyone fricking hates him.
Same goes for Bats, though after having seen it I was not AS troubled by how far they strayed with him...though again, if it ain't broke, etc.
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This isn't just for comic adaptations either. It's beyond frustrating when a book or TV series gets turned into a movie but then some arrogant director decides he/she knows better and essentially makes it "Product X" in name only. Why do you think so many Micheal Crichton adaptations are loathed by the book readers? Or why do you think the two piss poor attempts at Clive Cussler's Dirk Pitt novels failed? When you don't trust the source material and straight up give your built in fan base the finger you are never going to be as successful as the property's success in other media indicates you should be because you are chasing off the very people most likely to want to see your film right off the bat.
I Am Legend. frick that movie.
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There is a HUGE difference between putting your own spin on something and simply taking the names and basic framework of an existing property while throwing everything else out.
Again...not to make this a Marvel v DC thing, but this was already tested by Marvel...there is literally no reason AT ALL for DC to be afraid of their source material, and yet it seems they are.
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Things like Snyder saying "well there is no room in this universe for Jimmy Olsen so we decided to kill him at the start of this" and then not even naming him are massively insulting. When you factor in the time he wastes on a totally new and pointless character like Jenny at the Daily Planet it becomes all the more grating. I would have rather JO simply been turned into Jenny than get a big fat frick you we shot Jimmy in the face b/c there's no room for him bullshite.
I don't care about Jimmy Olsen, but this was treated like much of the cannon was by Snyder which is, as you say, like a big frick you to fans. Don't like Olsen? Don;t cast him. but why make him a CIA Agent only to shoot him in the face just as some kind of weird Easter Egg for whatever fans find that cute?
Posted on 4/11/16 at 3:33 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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I don't care about Jimmy Olsen, but this was treated like much of the cannon was by Snyder which is, as you say, like a big frick you to fans. Don't like Olsen? Don;t cast him. but why make him a CIA Agent only to shoot him in the face just as some kind of weird Easter Egg for whatever fans find that cute?
That's exactly my issue.
It's like a microcosm of everything wrong with Snyder's take on DC.
To further explain, I'm not going to be butthurt that a character like Lucius Fox wasn't used but if he randomly shows up unnamed and dressed as a karate master only to get stabbed in the chest after two lines and doing nothing of note, you damn well better believe I'm going to be irked.
This post was edited on 4/11/16 at 3:34 pm
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