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re: Obtuse Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice TD review thread (SPOILERS p5+)
Posted on 4/5/16 at 12:20 pm to Fewer Kilometers
Posted on 4/5/16 at 12:20 pm to Fewer Kilometers
Isn't this a message board? I'm just trying to talk about what will make the series better for a wider audience. And I enjoy life just fine. 
But I do care about these characters and I want them to succeed. Just like the Batman on film guy. Just like Kevin Smith. Now I understand why you don't care about this movie being a flop. You just don't have the care for the characters like I do,and that's cool. But I want a DC universe that can be successful.
Of course I don't have control over things. None of us do. It doesn't mean we can't give our opinions. That's what this board is for.
But I do care about these characters and I want them to succeed. Just like the Batman on film guy. Just like Kevin Smith. Now I understand why you don't care about this movie being a flop. You just don't have the care for the characters like I do,and that's cool. But I want a DC universe that can be successful.
Of course I don't have control over things. None of us do. It doesn't mean we can't give our opinions. That's what this board is for.
This post was edited on 4/5/16 at 12:22 pm
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Posted on 4/5/16 at 12:22 pm to schexyoung
Can you give a quick synopsis on what was said in the BOF podcast?
Posted on 4/5/16 at 12:24 pm to abellsujr
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Now I understand why you don't care about this movie being a flop. You just don't have the care for the characters like I do,and that's cool.
You have no idea who I am or my relationship with these characters.
You do not want to play the "I'm a bigger fan than you" card in here.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 12:25 pm to abellsujr
Bottom line. If a string of movies can't succeed with the general audience then the plug will be pulled whether that's DC or Marvel. Comic book fans are too small of a group to generate the box office cash flow needed to support the massive investments for these expanded universes.
BvS was divisive even within the small group of comic fans. The general audience is already turned off.
BvS was divisive even within the small group of comic fans. The general audience is already turned off.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 12:27 pm to Fewer Kilometers
quote:Then you want these movies to be successful. And BvS is not.
You have no idea who I am or my relationship with these characters.
This post was edited on 4/5/16 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 4/5/16 at 3:21 pm to abellsujr
quote:
Isn't this a message board? I'm just trying to talk about what will make the series better for a wider audience.
Okay...let's look at that.
Admittedly, I liked BvS, so I am biased, so I am asking those that disliked this movie (of which there are plenty):
Has your experience made you more, or less, likely to see:
Suicide Squad
Wonder Woman
JL 1
Because, really, that is ALL that WB cares about
Posted on 4/5/16 at 3:31 pm to udtiger
quote:
Admittedly, I liked BvS, so I am biased, so I am asking those that disliked this movie (of which there are plenty):
Has your experience made you more, or less, likely to see:
I'll play.
quote:
Suicide Squad
This was a "neither more or less likely" until news of the reshoots came out. That tells me less likely.
quote:
Wonder Woman
About the same.
quote:
JL 1
Less likely x1000. I can't even trust the trailers because yes, Zack Snyder makes phenomenal trailer material. But I am not excited for Justice League anymore.
Although I like Flash, not a fan of the casting, and without J'onn or Hal....and adding in Snyder's mopey Superman and super-old Batman, and emo-metal Aquaman (he belongs in P.O.D), it just looks terrible early on. Happy to re-evaluate when there is better news however. No Hal is a major blow for me. And if Flash doesn't work....you lose me completely. This could also change with WW being amazing.
Simply put, there isn't an interesting character in the DC Film Universe yet. Maybe WW. But that's about all you have right now. And as usual, they avoid the truly interesting characters for fast tracking yet another Batman film. Meh. Dick Grayson people! He's better than Bruce Wayne. Fact.
This post was edited on 4/5/16 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 4/5/16 at 3:41 pm to udtiger
quote:Me? No. We're talking about the wider audience.
Has your experience made you more, or less, likely to see: Suicide Squad Wonder Woman JL 1
Try to see the writing on the wall. The Avengers made 1.5 BILLION dollars. No Spiderman involved, the most popular Marvel character. No Thanos, the most popular villain. They had the same villain from Thor. Why did it make that much money? Because it appealed to a wider audience. Critics loved it. Now Ant-Man and GotG can easily make 700 mil in their sleep. Characters that nobody knew about. We get to go deeper into the universe. We get more of the characters that Marvel fans care about.
BvS will make 800-900 million with characters that are more popular than even Spiderman. It has dropped off considerably.
What does that mean? It means they failed. That means that word of mouth is bad and has affected it in a NEGATIVE light.
It's simple. If your desire is to enjoy this movie and not give a frick about the future of DC, then you're fine. If your goal is to want more from these characters, then you should be worried.
quote:Then they should be worried. Read the writing on the wall:
Because, really, that is ALL that WB cares about
quote:
Bottom line. If a string of movies can't succeed with the general audience then the plug will be pulled whether that's DC or Marvel. Comic book fans are too small of a group to generate the box office cash flow needed to support the massive investments for these expanded universes. BvS was divisive even within the small group of comic fans. The general audience is already turned off.
This post was edited on 4/5/16 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 4/5/16 at 3:49 pm to abellsujr
What's your plan?
Posted on 4/5/16 at 3:50 pm to Fewer Kilometers
Start making movies that appeal to wider audiences. That's a start.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 3:51 pm to abellsujr
Good. Sounds like you're set to go.
Look forward to Suicide Squad.
Look forward to Suicide Squad.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 4:15 pm to abellsujr
quote:
I wish they would erase this movie from existence. For those of you who like the movie, listen to that podcast. As I said before, it's not about you or I. It's about what's right for the series, and BvS is not it.
quote:I disagree. I have always liked the DC characters more than Marvel's.
here's nothing wrong with enjoying the movie if that's what you want. The movie is there and will always be there for you. You'll even get an extended cut. But that movie is over. It's time to start thinking about the future of these characters and how to redeem things. Unless you don't care about the future of DC. Which at this point is probably the case with a lot of people because of BvS
That said, I'm not too far from 50, and I'd like to see SOME version of them on the big screen before too much longer. You kill this and restart, we're pushing things back years... again. Meanwhile, Marvel will be continuing their grand story, and sooner or later that will wrap up. And once they start rebooting, I suspect the "superhero blockbuster" genre will drop off a good bit; we may be in the midst of the Star Wars/sci-fi surge by then.
Cavill's an acceptable Superman, and Affleck seems to be the best casting of this group. Gadot did just fine as WW. Time for DC to roll out with what they have.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 4:25 pm to Scoob
quote:Me too.
I have always liked the DC characters more than Marvel's.
quote:That's fine. I want that and then some.
I'd like to see SOME version of them on the big screen before too much longer.
quote:I know. It's a tough situation. At the same time, you may not even get that SOME you want if the ones they have now don't make enough money.
You kill this and restart, we're pushing things back years... again.
quote:That's an assumption. You don't know that. Marvel is stronger than ever. What I know for certain is that BvS is not something that is popular with people. That will not work.
Marvel will be continuing their grand story, and sooner or later that will wrap up. And once they start rebooting, I suspect the "superhero blockbuster" genre will drop off a good bit; we may be in the midst of the Star Wars/sci-fi surge by then.
quote:I'm fine with the cast. Just try to make the movies more widely acceptable. It's not the characters themselves or the cast. (with the exception of Jessie E who has been widely panned)
Cavill's an acceptable Superman, and Affleck seems to be the best casting of this group. Gadot did just fine as WW. Time for DC to roll out with what they have.
ETA: It's a different situation for each fan here. If you liked BvS than you will always have that to fall back on. You may also get JL.
If you didn't like BvS, all you have is a bad movie with maybe a small future of more of the same. On top of that you have to deal with the fact that it failed at the box office and the future of your favorite characters is now in jeopardy. It fricking sucks.
This post was edited on 4/5/16 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 4/5/16 at 4:29 pm to Fewer Kilometers
BvS is objectively a very bad movie. It scored extremely low across the board, its core audience was split and mostly did not like the movie, and now the dollar signs are supporting the "haters" viewpoint.
Only personal opinions still believe in the film. its failing on all metrics. its ok. you dont have to get upset because you are on the losing side of the war. We ALL wanted this to be so much better. I put a lot of faith into this movie. it just did not deliver.
Only personal opinions still believe in the film. its failing on all metrics. its ok. you dont have to get upset because you are on the losing side of the war. We ALL wanted this to be so much better. I put a lot of faith into this movie. it just did not deliver.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 4:32 pm to BlacknGold
quote:
BvS is objectively a very bad movie. It scored extremely low across the board, its core audience was split and mostly did not like the movie, and now the dollar signs are supporting the "haters" viewpoint.
Only personal opinions still believe in the film. its failing on all metrics. its ok. you dont have to get upset because you are on the losing side of the war. We ALL wanted this to be so much better. I put a lot of faith into this movie. it just did not deliver.
Deal with it.
Where is this coming from?
Posted on 4/5/16 at 4:37 pm to Fewer Kilometers
quote:
Where is this coming from?
do you honestly need me to link all of the aggregate scores of the movie that has been discussed in this very thread? or post the financial numbers and the 70% drop off in just one week?
how about the suicide squad blowback due to this movie?
do you believe the holocaust happened?
Posted on 4/5/16 at 4:41 pm to BlacknGold
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do you honestly need me to link all of the aggregate scores of the movie that has been discussed in this very thread? or post the financial numbers and the 70% drop off in just one week?
I know exactly how badly the movie is doing.
Wondering what your "Deal with it" manifesto is all about. I wasn't arguing that the movie was doing well.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 4:45 pm to Fewer Kilometers
you just seem upset that people are criticizing the movie and DC's cinematic future, especially under Snyder.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 4:51 pm to BlacknGold
I understand the criticism of the movie and Snyder. Just don't see the point in being in misery over something that you can't control. The movie is what it is. If they replace or don't replace Snyder then whatever. The repeated painful wails to heaven are pretty pointless.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 4:55 pm to Fewer Kilometers
quote:Who's in misery? I have great disappointment and I'm expressing that disappointment in the appropriate thread. When people were disappointed in the Walking Dead finale, they expressed it (as an example). If you don't like it, don't read.
I understand the criticism of the movie and Snyder. Just don't see the point in being in misery over something that you can't control. The movie is what it is. If they replace or don't replace Snyder then whatever. The repeated painful wails to heaven are pretty pointless.
This post was edited on 4/5/16 at 5:10 pm
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