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Posted on 6/6/22 at 8:05 am to
Posted by alajones
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Posted on 6/6/22 at 8:05 am to
They really fricked up cannon with that “fight” or whatever that was. This show sucks so bad and has really pissed me off. What a wasted opportunity to develop something promising.
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Posted by Lark225
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 6/6/22 at 8:25 am to
Show lacks action and trying to do too much storytelling in a 6 episode series. If they don't pick the action up with only a couple episodes left it would be a failure plus I already know the spoilers and how this ends
Posted by SECSolomonGrundy
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Posted on 6/6/22 at 8:31 am to
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Did you really think Obi-Wan knew Anakin survived Mustafar?



At some point he clearly learned it. This show tells us he OBW learned it from Reva. But the prequels clearly give us a scene where Kenobi learns that Anakin is Vader.

So, maybe for some period OBW thought he had killed Vader. Maybe he didn't know about the suit and Vaders new appearance since their last fight (in which case you'd think he'd have more of a reaction when he saw him in episode 3 of Kenobi). But there is no point in time in which Kenobi doesn't know that Vader is Anakin. Did the empire keep Vader a secret after the battle on mustafar?
Posted by SammyTiger
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Posted on 6/6/22 at 8:35 am to
They didn’t even Change Luke’s last name.
It’s still Skywalker. So there is a Skywalker in Tatoone living with his Step Brother.

That’s a terrible plan of Kenobi knew Anakin was alive.
Posted by Esquire
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Posted on 6/6/22 at 8:37 am to
Kenobi didn’t even change his own last name
Posted by SammyTiger
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Posted on 6/6/22 at 8:37 am to
He was also in hiding for a decade he may have not have kept up with the Imperial Hierarchy.
Posted by TrussvilleTide
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Posted on 6/6/22 at 8:43 am to
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They didn’t even Change Luke’s last name.
It’s still Skywalker. So there is a Skywalker in Tatoone living with his Step Brother.

That’s a terrible plan of Kenobi knew Anakin was alive.



Kenobi and Skywalker may be common names, especially Skywalker since he was a slave it may just be a slave/freed slave name. If there's some lore out there behind both their names feel free to correct me.
Posted by saintsfan92612
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Posted on 6/6/22 at 9:01 am to
I may be wrong, but I am pretty sure there was a Mara Jade comic where she said that she should have know Luke was Darth Vaders son because of the name...but then thought it was a pretty common name so it could be coincidence.

The old canon was all over the place though and I may be misremembering...
Posted by wareaglepete
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Posted on 6/6/22 at 9:03 am to
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It’s still Skywalker. So there is a Skywalker in Tatoone living with his Step Brother.

That’s a terrible plan of Kenobi knew Anakin was alive.


Like others said, maybe Skywalker is like Smith or Jones in that galaxy. And for the step brother (was he a step brother or half brother, I can't remember), I don't know that Vader would even care about that guy enough to pay attention. What is weird is that Owen is so upset when talking to OB1 about what happened to Anakin, and I know they are related, but were they even close? I mean, he spent maybe a day around him in episode 2. Couldn't have been that close.
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Posted by SECSolomonGrundy
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Posted on 6/6/22 at 9:50 am to
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He was also in hiding for a decade he may have not have kept up with the Imperial Hierarchy.





His whole purpose is to protect this kid from the empire. It would be derelict for him to not follow the hierarchy of the empire. This show seems insistent on making OBW a bumbling idiot.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 6/6/22 at 10:08 am to
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Like others said, maybe Skywalker is like Smith or Jones in that galaxy. And for the step brother (was he a step brother or half brother, I can't remember), I don't know that Vader would even care about that guy enough to pay attention. What is weird is that Owen is so upset when talking to OB1 about what happened to Anakin, and I know they are related, but were they even close? I mean, he spent maybe a day around him in episode 2. Couldn't have been that close.



there's no point in trying to be logical here.
The writers of this show are morons that didn't know Star Wars before taking on this show, and then didn't do enough research and homework to learn enough to make smarter writing decisions with this show, and on top of that, it's directed by someone who doesn't seem to know how to direct a scene that looks believable.


quote from the writer of this show:

quote:

Why is Obi-Wan watching one of them, and not the other? It always seemed a little unfair to me. That allowed us to look at the weight of responsibility in a slightly different way. Having her be the call to action made her important legacy-wise at a young age, as important as the farm boy was. It was a great opportunity to surprise the audience.

LINK
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 10:10 am
Posted by SammyTiger
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Posted on 6/6/22 at 10:38 am to
1. He lives on an out rim world in a fricking cave.

2. You don’t know how advertised Vader is

3. As someone said, if he just heard rumors of Darth Vader he could have assumed that he is whoever replaced Anakin like Anakin replaced The last Sith Apprentice who replaced the last with apprentice.

4. I think It’s derelict to drop Anakin Skywalker’s son off with Anakin Skywalkers Step Brother, and not even change
His last name to Lars. But we
Don’t overanalyze the OT.
Posted by SammyTiger
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Posted on 6/6/22 at 10:41 am to
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there's no point in trying to be logical here. The writers of this show are morons that didn't know Star Wars before taking on this show, and then didn't do enough research and homework to learn enough to make smarter writing decisions with this show, and on top of that, it's directed by someone who doesn't seem to know how to direct a scene that looks believable.


Everything talked about was in the OT.

I don’t see what’s wrong with the quote. I also Think this series sets up a Leiah who would say, use her 1 distress beacon to send a message to a 60 year old hermit in a desert.
Posted by Esquire
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Posted on 6/6/22 at 10:54 am to
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quote from the writer of this show:


Leia is the only thing important enough to get Kenobi off Tatooine. If it were anything else, people would be bitching that he left Luke. I don’t think there is anything the writers could have done to avoid another series on Tatooine that wouldn’t piss people off.
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 6/6/22 at 10:59 am to
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Like others said, maybe Skywalker is like Smith or Jones in that galaxy.
Or more likely, shitty writing by activist morons.
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And for the step brother (was he a step brother or half brother, I can't remember),
Neither. Shmi was Luke's grandmother and stepmother to Owen Lars. So I guess Luke would be Owen's step nephew?

Which might be why he calls him 'Uncle Owen.'

These hacks have you all scrambling to explain their dumb inconsistencies. I guarantee you the 'writers' didn't put nearly that much thought into it.
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 6:01 pm
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 6/6/22 at 11:03 am to
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Kenobi didn’t even change his own last name


Maybe Kenobi and Skywalker are like "Jones" and "Smith" in that universe.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 6/6/22 at 11:20 am to
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I don’t see what’s wrong with the quote.


If it was competent writers who truly only cared about the source material and making a great Star Wars show, there wouldn't be anything wrong with it, but you know damn well the reasoning behind it, and the fact that he says it like that is what's irritating. He basically says why is the boy more important than the girl. There's just no need to say that, or even imply it. We know she's important, and we've already seen her importance several times on the big screen and even in Rebels.
They could easily do a show just about Leia growing up and becoming part of the rebellion that could be great. I'm sure they'd frick it up, but i'd love to see that made by competent writers. Leia is a far more important character leading up to A New Hope than Luke. When you think about it, it's astounding they don't do this, b/c they don't even have to fake it trying to shoehorn in a strong competent woman leader, b/c that's exactly who Leia is.


I agree with what he said that they wanted to show the importance of "Ben" to Leia. That's fine. I like that.
I also don't mind how they are showing how Leia has a dialogue and attitude that's a bit over her age. I'd expect that from her. I've bitched about a lot of things in this thread, but Leia hasn't been one of them, other than the terrible scenes of her "running away" looking ridiculous. I like how she's portrayed in this show. She's a born leader, like her mother.

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I also Think this series sets up a Leia who would say, use her 1 distress beacon to send a message to a 60 year old hermit in a desert.


and he basically says that in the article. I get that, and i like it.


I like that they chose to incorporate Leia in this show, but the execution of their reasoning for incorporating her has been just awful. As i said, Leia is far more interesting as a character before A New Hope than Luke is.
they say they wanted to surprise us that Leia is as important as Luke. That's not a surprise. We all understand Luke blows up the Death Star and eventually overthrows the Empire, but we are all aware of Leia's importance, both before and after that event. She's a beloved character, not someone who people don't give a shite about. People care just as much about staying true to her character as they do Luke and Obi-Wan and Anakin.
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 11:25 am
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 11:30 am to
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Having her be the call to action made her important legacy-wise at a young age, as important as the farm boy was. I


Why do all of you keep supporting these people with your time and money?

THEY DON’T LIKE YOU

ETA: I want this to be the original Star Wars that I grew up with. It isn’t.
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 12:13 pm
Posted by Bankshot
Member since Jun 2006
5410 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 2:02 pm to
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Obi-Wan gets his mojo back and Vader will lose.


We're going to get a Rocky-style montage with Obi Wan getting back in shape.
Posted by theunknownknight
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Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 6/6/22 at 2:09 pm to
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Leia is the only thing important enough to get Kenobi off Tatooine. If it were anything else, people would be bitching that he left Luke.


The ONLY thing?

The writers couldn’t use their imaginations or something? Like imagining a danger that could wipe out Tatooine that was being developed, grown, or weaponized on a neighboring planet?

I mean…it’s not that hard to come up with something. I did on the crapper in 5 seconds.
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