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re: Obi-Wan Kenobi (Disney+) - Episode 3 Discussion thread
Posted on 6/6/22 at 2:10 pm to theunknownknight
Posted on 6/6/22 at 2:10 pm to theunknownknight
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I mean…it’s not that hard to come up with something. I did on the crapper in 5 seconds.
The stuff you flushed was better
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Posted on 6/6/22 at 2:11 pm to Esquire
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The stuff you flushed was better
I haven’t flushed yet
Posted on 6/6/22 at 2:15 pm to Bankshot
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We're going to get a Rocky-style montage with Obi Wan getting back in shape.
I’ll allow it if Qui-Gon acts like Mickey
Posted on 6/6/22 at 2:26 pm to theunknownknight
You have an issue with it being Leia?
It makes sense. This series will be OBW saving Leia and establishing a trust with her so one day he’s her only hope.
It makes sense. This series will be OBW saving Leia and establishing a trust with her so one day he’s her only hope.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 2:47 pm to SammyTiger
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It makes sense. This series will be OBW saving Leia and establishing a trust with her so one day he’s her only hope.
b/c she hung out with him for 3 days when she was 8 years old? Is she even going to remember this event as significant? I mean if she did, you'd think she'd say "help us Ben Kenobi, you're our only hope".
The more reasonable explanation is that her loving father, who has trained her her entire life to be the leader she will become, trusts no one more in the galaxy than Obi-Wan, and Leia looks up to her father and trusts what he says, so when he tells her that Obi-Wan is their only hope, b/c you know he actually knows the plan that Yoda had in the minutes after Order 66 to go into hiding and one day emerge to train Luke to defeat Vader and the Empire, she believes him.
Leia obviously doesn't know this plan.
Her message in A New Hope wasn't one from personal experience, but rather one from her father.
Leia could have named her son Ben to honor both what Obi-Wan did for the rebellion and the republic helping save her on the Death Star, but moreso the fact that she could have been doing it as a nod to her brothers master since Luke was never going to have kids.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 2:54 pm to TeddyPadillac
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b/c she hung out with him for 3 days when she was 8 years old?
Hung out? He’s. Saved her from kidnappers and guess what, he’s about to save her from DV and the Third Sister.
That’s exactly the kind of thing people remember. “Oh who could single handedly save me from Vader? The guy who did it last time”
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The more reasonable explanation is that her loving father, who has trained her her entire life to be the leader she will become, trusts no one more in the galaxy than Obi-Wan, and Leia looks up to her father and trusts what he says, so when he tells her that Obi-Wan is their only hope, b/c you know he actually knows the plan that Yoda had in the minutes after Order 66 to go into hiding and one day emerge to train Luke to defeat Vader and the Empire, she believes him. Leia obviously doesn't know this plan. Her message in A New Hope wasn't one from personal experience, but rather one from her father.
I dont Think that’s more reasonable.
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Leia could have named her son Ben to honor both what Obi-Wan did for the rebellion and the republic helping save her on the Death Star, but moreso the fact that she could have been doing it as a nod to her brothers master since Luke was never going to have kids.
You mean the guy Luke hung out with for like 3 whole days before Vader Merced him? That’s just hanging out.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 2:59 pm to TeddyPadillac
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b/c she hung out with him for 3 days when she was 8 years old? Is she even going to remember this event as significant? I mean if she did, you'd think she'd say "help us Ben Kenobi, you're our only hope".
The more reasonable explanation is that her loving father, who has trained her her entire life to be the leader she will become, trusts no one more in the galaxy than Obi-Wan, and Leia looks up to her father and trusts what he says, so when he tells her that Obi-Wan is their only hope, b/c you know he actually knows the plan that Yoda had in the minutes after Order 66 to go into hiding and one day emerge to train Luke to defeat Vader and the Empire, she believes him.
Leia obviously doesn't know this plan.
Her message in A New Hope wasn't one from personal experience, but rather one from her father.
This is the one thing that has really bugged me in the show. I can look past most of the other things dealing with OWK and Vader, but Leia can't know that Ben = Obi-Wan Kenobi, or it totally screws up the hologram message in the original movie.
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General Kenobi. Years ago you served my father in the Clone Wars.
She is having to establish who she is and how she knows to contact him. If she finds out that Ben is OW, that message would have been different since only 6 years would have elapsed. It would be like, "hey, you rememebr a few years ago when you saved me when I was kidnapped, well, uh, we need your help again.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 3:04 pm to PJinAtl
Am I misremembering a New Hope?
She says “help me Obi-wan Kenobi, you’re my only hope”
And Luke is the one who’s like “duuuuuh I know A Ben Kenobi” and can’t put that together. (I guess Apple doesn’t fall far from the tree)
Honestly I always assumed Ben Kenobi was the locals not really Knowing the weird Hermits name not like A really half baked alias.
I think We can all agree Star Wars hs continuity and retcon issued from literally Empire.
She says “help me Obi-wan Kenobi, you’re my only hope”
And Luke is the one who’s like “duuuuuh I know A Ben Kenobi” and can’t put that together. (I guess Apple doesn’t fall far from the tree)
Honestly I always assumed Ben Kenobi was the locals not really Knowing the weird Hermits name not like A really half baked alias.
I think We can all agree Star Wars hs continuity and retcon issued from literally Empire.
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 6/6/22 at 3:35 pm to SammyTiger
Kenobi could be like Smith in the SW universe.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 3:49 pm to FreddieMac
all of these problems result from the fact that there was no “master plot plan” for all this stuff. George wrote old obi wan first, then young obi wan, then Jedi master/general obi wan, now whoever is writing this is writing middle aged obi wan. And there’s differing motivations and agendas every single time.
It’s all a mess, as you would expect from such haphazard creation
It’s all a mess, as you would expect from such haphazard creation
Posted on 6/6/22 at 4:10 pm to SammyTiger
This series is emasculating Obi Wan and propping up trash female characters that nobody wants
Garbage
Garbage
Posted on 6/6/22 at 5:10 pm to SammyTiger
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Hung out? He’s. Saved her from kidnappers and guess what, he’s about to save her from DV and the Third Sister.
and if it was that memorable, then she would have said "help me Ben Kenobi, you're my only hope". and she would also have said, "hey you remember saving me when i was 8 when i was kidnapped", but no she said " you served my father during the Clone Wars".
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That’s exactly the kind of thing people remember. “Oh who could single handedly save me from Vader? The guy who did it last time”
She wasn't asking to be saved from Vader when she sent that message. She wanted the plans from the Death Star to fall into the right hands.
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You mean the guy Luke hung out with for like 3 whole days before Vader Merced him? That’s just hanging out.
You are correct.
Some of the things that have been bitched about, were made fun of in the Family Guy Star Wars episodes, including this. And those are hilarious.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 6:17 pm to SammyTiger
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You have an issue with it being Leia?
No. I had an issue with the poster I was responding to saying rescuing Leia was the ONLY way to get Obiwan off Tatooine.
I was proving that a dude taking a dump can come up with another reason on the fly in five seconds.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 6:22 pm to Proximo
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This series is emasculating Obi Wan and propping up trash female characters that nobody wants
Garbage
Has there been single star wars game or show that didn't try to do this since Kathleen Kennedy and Disney took over?
I said this on here a few years ago, you will NEVER see a single star wars product that features only a male as long as Kathleen Kennedy is in charge. They will use male characters for advertising and branding, but they will insert their mary sues every time.
The entire disney SW trilogy was about Rey and Leia was featured more than Luke.
The video games featured not just female co-leads but other prominent female characters were setup in the story, Rogue one had a female lead, Solo had Emilia Clarke co-lead.
A movie just about Obi-Wan and not a Kathleen Kennedy self insert seemed likely given the reputation Ewan McGregor and Obi-Wan had, but obviously that wasn't possible. If it's impossible for that character, there's no way you will ever see a featured male character again.
I think Disney is still trying to build their star wars fanbase with their "new" perspective on the galaxy far far away, but they're having a hard time disconnecting from the original fan base (you can tell given how much PR time they use attacking them) and they obviously still need their money.
I just don't think star wars is anywhere near where they expected it to be, but they only have themselves to blame. They thought they could put out anything and as long as they titled it "star wars" the money would roll in. Kids don't care about star wars and maybe we should have ended this Disney era before it ever started. Star wars was born in an era where the culture was everything Hollywood hates and despises in the present era. The culture/ideals Kathleen Kennedy and the diversity,equity, and inclusion crowd want to promote within the Star wars properties mix like oil and water.
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 6/6/22 at 7:05 pm to tiggerthetooth
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I said this on here a few years ago, you will NEVER see a single star wars product that features only a male as long as Kathleen Kennedy is in charge
Mando says hey
Posted on 6/6/22 at 7:08 pm to Esquire
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Mando says hey
Gina Carano says hey.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 7:11 pm to tiggerthetooth
Gina wasn't featured in that show. She was in maybe half the episodes and was the epitome of a supporting role.
Favreau hit that shite out of the park. If he was in charge of this show, Obi Wan Kenobi would be cooler than he's ever been before.
He'd be hanging out in a club talking to gangsters and getting the scoop on what the empire was plotting. Maybe instead of just letting his tampon get sour, Obi Wan would drink too much spachka in order to cope with his grief. Something relatable.
Favreau showed the world that star wars can be unifying. Everyone loves Mandalorian and you never once heard any bullshite about race or sexism. This show is as divisive as any that I can remember. It would be woke trash that nobody watches if it didn't have a beloved character like Kenobi attached to the title. But it's obvious that was a bate and switch.
When did living up to expectations become a bad thing?
Favreau hit that shite out of the park. If he was in charge of this show, Obi Wan Kenobi would be cooler than he's ever been before.
He'd be hanging out in a club talking to gangsters and getting the scoop on what the empire was plotting. Maybe instead of just letting his tampon get sour, Obi Wan would drink too much spachka in order to cope with his grief. Something relatable.
Favreau showed the world that star wars can be unifying. Everyone loves Mandalorian and you never once heard any bullshite about race or sexism. This show is as divisive as any that I can remember. It would be woke trash that nobody watches if it didn't have a beloved character like Kenobi attached to the title. But it's obvious that was a bate and switch.
When did living up to expectations become a bad thing?
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 7:22 pm
Posted on 6/6/22 at 7:14 pm to Esquire
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Mando says hey
Fact checker says 'back atcha'
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The Mandalorian (2019–present)
Full Cast & Crew
Jon Favreau ... creator
Jon Favreau ... executive producer (24 episodes, 2019-2022)
Dave Filoni ... executive producer (17 episodes, 2019-2022)
Kathleen Kennedy ... executive producer (16 episodes, 2019-2020)
Posted on 6/6/22 at 7:15 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Gina Carano says hey.
She was in less than half of the 16 episodes. If that counts as a female lead, Padme and Leia are female leads of the PT and OT and there has never been a Star Wars movie or show without one. There goes your argument.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 7:17 pm to RobbBobb
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Fact checker says 'back atcha'
Your point?
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