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re: Obi-Wan Kenobi (Disney+) - Episode 3 Discussion thread
Posted on 6/6/22 at 7:20 pm to Esquire
Posted on 6/6/22 at 7:20 pm to Esquire
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She was in less than half of the 16 episodes. If that counts as a female lead,
Again, it starts as a male lead show to draw you in and evolves into a female co-lead.
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Padme and Leia are female leads of the PT and OT
Padme is hardly a lead and Leia, while important, isn't the center of the story. Luke Skywalker is the main hero of the story and the story allows him to be, unlike the Disney universe.
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Posted on 6/6/22 at 7:24 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Again, it starts as a male lead show to draw you in and evolves into a female co-lead.
Gina Carano is in no way the co-lead in Mandalorian. Did you even watch the show?
I can't even think of her characters name.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 7:25 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Again, it starts as a male lead show to draw you in and evolves into a female co-lead.
When did this happen in Mando?
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Padme is hardly a lead and Leia, while important, isn't the center of the story.
But Gina Carano is
FYI, she is credited for the same amount of episodes as a dwarf woman that plays as Jawa, so maybe we have two female leads on our hands
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 7:25 pm
Posted on 6/6/22 at 7:25 pm to Esquire
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Your point?
She got pushed out on this one. Jon is in charge now, and I imagine it was over creative control about her "vision" not aligning with the character
Posted on 6/6/22 at 7:34 pm to RobbBobb
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She got pushed out on this one
The episodes she was involved with didn’t fit the narrative I was responding to. We can only speculate on the 8 coming next year. But Bo Katan will be the villain so that probably counts as another female lead to some
Posted on 6/6/22 at 7:50 pm to Esquire
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The episodes she was involved with didn’t fit the narrative
uh, no.
She wanted Mando to be the tied into Reys rise to power. Jon vehemently fought her. Iger pushed her out because Mando was killing it with the direction Jon was taking it
Posted on 6/6/22 at 7:53 pm to Esquire
All the stuff about gender and race just comes across as navel gazing to me. Bottom line is that the show is pretty pedestrian. Not bad, but not really good either. For me that is not due to any decisions on race and gender. Unless maybe you count building things around a precocious Leia, and the problems with that really are not about gender.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 7:58 pm to RobbBobb
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She wanted Mando to be the tied into Reys rise to power. Jon vehemently fought her. Iger pushed her out because Mando was killing it with the direction Jon was taking it
KK was exec producer for every Mando episode we have seen. Mando is setting up Palpatine’s cloning program and that has Filoni’s hands all over it. What has it done to set up Rey?
Posted on 6/6/22 at 8:53 pm to Proximo
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emasculating Obi Wan and propping up trash female characters that nobody wants
What female characters? Leia is a skywalker, it’s pretty natural she would have an important role given it is OWK’s duty/task to watch over her along with Luke.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 9:37 pm to Methuselah
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All the stuff about gender and race just comes across as navel gazing to me. Bottom line is that the show is pretty pedestrian. Not bad, but not really good either. For me that is not due to any decisions on race and gender. Unless maybe you count building things around a precocious Leia, and the problems with that really are not about gender.
That seems like a pretty fair assessment. My issue with Reva is from an acting perspective. She just isn’t very good in this role. Put an actress like Lupita Nyong'o in that same role and I likely find her more believable (and more menacing).
The Leia stuff doesn’t bother me as much I guess as I could easily buy her being the way she is given the life she’s been raised in to this point. And as others have said, continuity hasn’t always been the SW universe’s strong point.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 9:39 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Gina Carano says hey.
If she’s a co-lead in the Mandalorian, did we even watch the same show?
A female co-lead would be like Fennec Shand in Book of Boba Fett. Not Gina’s relatively forgettable character in Mando.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 7:43 am to kung fu kenny
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Leia is a skywalker, it’s pretty natural she would have an important role given it is OWK’s duty/task to watch over her along with Luke.
See you're just as dumb as the writers of this show.
That isn’t his duty. His duty is to watch over Luke, on Tatooine, and to not draw attention to himself, or Luke.
It’s Bail Organo’s job to look after Leia, on Alderon.
The whole premise of obi-wan rescuing Leia is silly. So her father cares so little about her he’s not even going to try to find her, he just asks his Jedi friend who’s been in hiding for 10 years? Some father he is that they are portraying him to be.
These writers are idiots.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 8:26 am to TeddyPadillac
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The whole premise of obi-wan rescuing Leia is silly. So her father cares so little about her he’s not even going to try to find her, he just asks his Jedi friend who’s been in hiding for 10 years? Some father he is that they are portraying him to be.
These writers are idiots.
The pretty simple explanation for that is her father putting out a search party would raise eyebrows and bring attention to Leía herself (and why she’s been kidnapped). Which is what they’ve been trying to avoid from the time she was born.
It’s not that complicated.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 8:41 am to BluegrassBelle
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The pretty simple explanation for that is her father putting out a search party would raise eyebrows and bring attention to Leía herself (and why she’s been kidnapped). Which is what they’ve been trying to avoid from the time she was born.
It’s not that complicated.
What? The bitch that decided to kidnap Leia reports directly to Vader. Are you saying if Bail Organa gets involved that somehow Vader is more interested in what's going on than if Kenobi is involved?
In fact, the opposite of what you said is more plausible. It was foolish of Bail to send OBW bc it attracted precisely the type of attention he is supposed to avoid. His mission is to protect the child from Vader and the emporer and hes doing a good job. So he sends Vaders top target to go find something that Vader knows nothing about. Brilliant plan General.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 8:45 am to BluegrassBelle
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The pretty simple explanation for that is her father putting out a search party would raise eyebrows and bring attention to Leía herself (and why she’s been kidnapped). Which is what they’ve been trying to avoid from the time she was born.
She's not a secret and there's always been attention on her b/c she's the daughter of an Imperial Senator, and royal family of Alderaan.
She isn't Luke hiding from anyone of importance in the Empire. Everyone in the galaxy knows who she is. She's Leia Organa, not Leia Skywalker.
They aren't avoiding who she is to anyone. there's only 3 people in the galaxy that knows who she really is, and it's impossible for anyone else to know that.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 9:44 am to TeddyPadillac
yeah, the whole premise is flimsy, best not to hold it up to any scrutiny. which, to be completely fair, is the case with all/most of the major star wars storylines, beginning in 1977.
just to use the most recent example...you pointed out that leia is under the care of bail organa, with a new identity. but there's not jedi knight "watching over her"...but luke is with his step family, with obi wan living in a cave, keeping tabs on him and begging owen to let him train the boy. so...why is luke with ownen at all? why isnt obi wan caring for and training luke in his cave? or in a fricking house like everyone else? and what in the hell is yoda doing off in a swamp by himself? we know he's "waiting" to train luke, but couldnt he be doing something more constructive with his time? its not like the fate of the galaxy hangs in the balance or anything
all of it is dumb. all we ask is to let the heroes be heroes and the bad guys be actually scary
just to use the most recent example...you pointed out that leia is under the care of bail organa, with a new identity. but there's not jedi knight "watching over her"...but luke is with his step family, with obi wan living in a cave, keeping tabs on him and begging owen to let him train the boy. so...why is luke with ownen at all? why isnt obi wan caring for and training luke in his cave? or in a fricking house like everyone else? and what in the hell is yoda doing off in a swamp by himself? we know he's "waiting" to train luke, but couldnt he be doing something more constructive with his time? its not like the fate of the galaxy hangs in the balance or anything
all of it is dumb. all we ask is to let the heroes be heroes and the bad guys be actually scary
Posted on 6/7/22 at 10:02 am to Esquire
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What has it done to set up Rey?
Well for starters...
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Mando is setting up Palpatine’s cloning program
Rey is the daughter of a Palpatine clone.
But I dont think that is what we are seeing, The timeline doesn't work. Maybe something to do with the creation of Snoke.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 10:09 am to BlackAdam
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But I dont think that is what we are seeing, The timeline doesn't work. Maybe something to do with the creation of Snoke.
Snoke is a result of Palpatine’s cloning program to develop clones with Force sensitivity. Rey’s father would have been cloned decades before Mando so there is no connection to Rey in the new cloning program.
This post was edited on 6/7/22 at 10:10 am
Posted on 6/7/22 at 11:57 am to cgrand
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why isnt obi wan caring for and training luke in his cave?
They are hunting jedi. All it takes is one moron to see him do something with the force and turn him in, and you can't expect a kid that just learned how to move shite with his mind to not do it at least once when he thinks no one is looking and get caught.
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and what in the hell is yoda doing off in a swamp by himself?
Not getting caught, and waiting to train Luke.
Yoda has seen the prophecy correctly now about who the Chosen One is, and knows what has to happen now to overthrow the Emperor. He had his chance and failed, and realizes now that he cannot defeat the Emperor or Darth Vader, and neither can anyone else. They are too powerful. His only way of helping at this point is staying alive long enough to train an adult Luke that can help turn Vader, b/c Vader is the only person in the galaxy that can kill the Emperor, not Luke, but Luke is the only person that can make Vader turn back to the good side.
This was all shown when Dark Maul and Ezra merged the jedi and sith holocrons in Rebels. Yoda is the one that told Ezra to go do this as merging them would tell the user the answer to any question they had, and Ezra wanted to know how to defeat the Sith. Maul and Obi-Wan discuss it as well as Maul dies in Obi-Wans arms.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 2:51 pm to TeddyPadillac
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b/c Vader is the only person in the galaxy that can kill the Emperor
I get it man...it’s complicated, but primarily because all this was stitched together and made up as they went along. But...all vader did was toss palpatine while he was distracted trying to kill Luke LOL.
It’s not like it was some grand conspiracy plot or feat of strength
This post was edited on 6/7/22 at 2:53 pm
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