re: NY Times Top 100 television shows of the 21st century

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The problem with BCS is the first few seasons were very very slow. It all mattered, but still too slow.

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I loved BB but couldn’t get through season 1 of BCS

Psych #1/2
Community #1/2

The rest are up there, but these are the two best shows ever.

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you’re a clown

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Each voter submitted a 10 show ballot. That's important. It's why something like Justified had no chance to be in the top 50. I'm surprised it made it at all (#83).


I don't like Girls, but Girls is considered by many to be one of the more influential comedies of the century -- a sitcom not focused on rich people, centering unlikeable characters, actually written by young people. It was a huge hit. It created a wave of female-led comedies that remain beloved, like Broad City and Insecure. The current show Adults on FX is so obviously trying to capture that same audience, as networks keep trying to reproduce the success of Girls.

It would be nowhere near my list, but I understand why many voters included it in their 10 best, for which I'm sure many included "importance/influence" in their criteria.


Boardwalk Empire never attempted anything more than coasting on the reputations of its Sopranos creator and Martin Scorsese. It's one of the most boring and empty dramas I've watched multiple seasons of. It was not widely beloved when it was airing. The idea that hundreds of voters would include Boardwalk Empire in a top 10 ballot for anything, outside of biggest disappointments, is ridiculous. You have to limit yourself to 10 shows, and you're choosing one of HBO's bigger whiffs that could most generously be described as pretty, detailed, and unable to meet its potential? I don't think so.

You should like what you like, but absence of a show you clearly liked more than everybody else in favor of shows you like less is not evidence of conspiracy.

Each voter submitted a 10 show ballot.

My ten show ballot:
Breaking Bad
The Wire
Arrested Development
Band of Brothers
Mad Men
The Sheild
It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia
30 Rock
True Detective S.1
Gomorrah

List should separate mini-series from TV shows.
BoB and Chernobyl are from a “TV show”
IMO those are on a list of their own.

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Was there some woke message that I missed?

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Pro crime, pro drugs and pro illegals

I haven’t seen all of em but The Office UK isn’t top 20 and I love Gervais and love him in it but the show is mid. Girls is garbage, Atlanta is trash as well.

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The problem with BCS is the first few seasons were very very slow. It all mattered, but still too slow.

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And this is so subjective as a previous poster mentioned. The early seasons when it was more about relationships between Jimmy, Kim, Chuck, and Howard were my favorite parts. I care the least about the ties to the Breaking Bad crime universe and the most about Jimmy and Kim and why he turned out the way he did. It wasn't because of the criminal element. It was because of the way he was treated by his big brother who he wanted to be like and never quite measured up.

There are fabulous shows that just aren't my kind of show (BoB) and others that are not "guy" shows that I love. You cannot separate subjectivity from these kinds of lists.

-BCS and LOST are entirely too low
-White lotus seems a bit high
-Succession seems quite a bit too high
-Atlanta waaaaay too high