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re: Mark Hamill: I think of Luke as a different character in TLJ, he's not my Luke Skywalker
Posted on 12/21/17 at 6:53 am to Breesus
Posted on 12/21/17 at 6:53 am to Breesus
That was Mark telling the fans that have given him a career for 40 years, hey it was not my fault! Lol Disney may have made a massive mistake with Star Wars. My 13 year old son’s reaction was all I needed to see to know they screwed up.
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Posted on 12/21/17 at 6:56 am to Bench McElroy
I am so glad others can see how I feel now that disney ruined my childhood favorite thing...ESPN. This Star Wars thing doesn’t surprise any of us old ESPN fans.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 7:03 am to Scoob
I heard Amy schumer will play Luke in the 2020 remake of a new hope
Posted on 12/21/17 at 7:06 am to LuckyTiger
Luke said that he slippes up in thought for a moment and then felt bad and Ben then attacked him out of self-defense.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 7:13 am to Pectus
quote:the revelation of Luke and Kylo's relationship was the best part of that movie IMHO.
Luke said that he slippes up in thought for a moment and then felt bad and Ben then attacked him out of self-defense.
I saw Vader. I saw worse. I saw what he'd become. What he'd do. But when I went to him that night I looked in his eyes and saw a terrified kid... Who's master had failed him.
That line is awesome and powerful. It was the only scene on the movie that I loved. Would've been maybe in the running for best in franchise if we had any backstory. Like a montage or flashback of Luke training Ben and the other Jedi and who Snoke is and how he got to Ben....
But even that scene flies in the face of the established plot.
Because Kylo took a bunch of trainees with him and burned Luke's temple.
So Kylo knocks Luke out and then goes and wakes up a bunch of other trainees and is like "hey Luke tried to kill me don't ask questions burn the temple down kill everyone and follow me" and they just blindly do it and then dissappear never to be seen again? Snoke calls Kylo the master of the knights of Ren. Who the hell were they? .
Or Snoke and Kylo had already completely undermined Luke's entire temple and school?
The more you peel back this movie the more you realize it's shallow with no connection to the Star Wars universe. Johnson made a completely stand alone movie with a finale that ends the franchise Skywalker story line but he made it as the second film in a trilogy and the eighth film in a series. It's mind boggling.
This post was edited on 12/21/17 at 7:34 am
Posted on 12/21/17 at 7:27 am to Bench McElroy
Jesus Christ people are melting down about this
Posted on 12/21/17 at 7:30 am to Breesus
quote:Yea, what happened to the Knights of Ren?
Because Kylo took a bunch of trainees with him and burned Luke's temple.
Are we supposed to assume that they were Snoke’s guards or something?
Posted on 12/21/17 at 7:35 am to Scruffy
quote:
Are we supposed to assume that they were Snoke’s guards or something?
Can't be. Unless they all lost their light sabers and force abilities.
But that would've been awesome to see Kylo and Rey team up and fight the Knights of Ren.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 7:41 am to Scruffy
quote:
Yea, what happened to the Knights of Ren?
Snoke makes a point to stoke Kylo's ego by calling him Master of the Knights of Ren
Luke says he turned a few of his trainees.
Hell even a training montage where Snoke has Kylo combat trained by killing the other Knights would've been cool. Fight to the death for the chance to train under Snoke.
But we got none of that.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 7:46 am to Breesus
Is there a list of running stories and characters that Rian Johnson shite on?
Luke
Yoda
Rey
Knights of Ren
Ackbar
R2
Finn
Snoke
Luke
Yoda
Rey
Knights of Ren
Ackbar
R2
Finn
Snoke
This post was edited on 12/21/17 at 7:47 am
Posted on 12/21/17 at 7:47 am to Breesus
I think Mark needs to move on. He had his moment, 40 years ago. It’s time for the next generation of characters to have their moment. The whole movie was about moving on from the past. Mark Hamill and the rest of you angry Star Wars fan need to move on as well.
This post was edited on 12/21/17 at 7:48 am
Posted on 12/21/17 at 7:49 am to Mystery
Add Hux to that list.
Johnson turned him into a Three Stooges character.
Johnson turned him into a Three Stooges character.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 7:50 am to Breesus
quote:
But that would've been awesome to see Kylo and Rey team up and fight the Knights of Ren.
That's probably the worst thing about this movie for me. It was like a drive by of these possible awesome moments that they then just completely went in unnecessary direction from.
How much more awesome would the Imperial Guard scene have been (assuming they had also done some backstory on the KOR and flesh it out more) if it had been the KOR that Ren and Rey had defeated? First, its then a full on Jedi battle, which the film avoids. Second, when Rey doesn't then join Ren afterwards, the sense of anger and betrayal in Ren is magnified since he just killed his own followers thinking he and Rey were starting something new.
This post was edited on 12/21/17 at 7:55 am
Posted on 12/21/17 at 7:51 am to Scruffy
quote:
Add Hux to that list.
Johnson turned him into a Three Stooges character.
Yea. WHat a joke.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 7:51 am to Bonkers119
quote:
The whole movie was about moving on from the past. Mark Hamill and the rest of you angry Star Wars fan need to move on as well.
Why not just make their own new and unique IP?
Why not set this trilogy 500 years after the OT?
If the whole point of this trilogy was to alienate the fanbase and destroy the established universe, does that sound in any way like a smart business decision?
Posted on 12/21/17 at 7:54 am to Tigerstark
quote:
How much more awesome would the Imperial Guard scene have been (assuming they had also done some backstory on the KOR and flesh it out more) if it had been the KOR that Ren and Rey had defeated? First, its then a full on Jedi battle, which the film avoids. Second, when Rey doesn't then join Ren afterwards, the sense of anger and betrayal in Ren is magnified since he just killed his own followers thinking he and Rey were starting something new.
That takes deep story telling, competent script writing, and an appreciation of the past stories of Star Wars and the fanbase. All things Rian Johnson completely lacks or actively refuses to do m
Posted on 12/21/17 at 7:54 am to Bonkers119
quote:
I think Mark needs to move on. He had his moment, 40 years ago. It’s time for the next generation of characters to have their moment. The whole movie was about moving on from the past. Mark Hamill and the rest of you angry Star Wars fan need to move on as well.
If there is no Skywalkers in the movie it is not Star Wars, its just a Sci-Fi flick. Killing off Luke in part two of three is either rebooting it or ending it. If this was the final movie, then people wouldn't be as mad. Part 9 is two years away and many people who didn't like TLJ wont be seeing it.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 7:55 am to Sneaky__Sally
quote:The only people melting are those who refuse to get honest and say anything negative about the movie. Star Wars fanboys. I don't know how old you are, but the same thing happened with the prequels. I remember people fighting tooth and nail to say that us old fricks were just jealous that the new generation had a new Star Wars trilogy. Then, somewhere along the way people got real with themselves and realized how much the prequels sucked.
Jesus Christ people are melting down about this
Posted on 12/21/17 at 7:55 am to Breesus
Believe it or not, the universe that Lucas set up is very limited. He created this whole galaxy that is focused on one family lineage. Rian is simply moving the story forward and showing that anyone is capable of greatness. Star Wars is creatively broke. Each Trilogy has had the same story arc, and Rian is bucking that trend. Get over it already.
Did the movie have flaws, of course it did. If you analyze every film like a Star Wars film you will see flaws in every movie. This movie also introduced new ideas about the force, and its powers we’ve never seen before, and took it in the direction it needed to go.
Did the movie have flaws, of course it did. If you analyze every film like a Star Wars film you will see flaws in every movie. This movie also introduced new ideas about the force, and its powers we’ve never seen before, and took it in the direction it needed to go.
This post was edited on 12/21/17 at 7:58 am
Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:00 am to Breesus
quote:
Why not set this trilogy 500 years after the OT?
If the whole point of this trilogy was to alienate the fanbase and destroy the established universe, does that sound in any way like a smart business decision?
fricking this.
Why use the OG characters if they wanted to wash them away?
Just go a couple 100 years into the future and have a reference to them as former Heros. Done, nobody complains. Don't fundamentally change their characters.
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