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re: Mark Hamill: I think of Luke as a different character in TLJ, he's not my Luke Skywalker
Posted on 12/22/17 at 10:49 am to Azranod
Posted on 12/22/17 at 10:49 am to Azranod
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The point that Mark Hamill was making about that not being the same character, that Luke Skywalker would never have contemplated, much less tried to kill his nephew in his sleep, if you don't agree with him, then you need to
I don't know, he had a momnent of temptation, i could see him walk up and consider it as he said he did when Ben woke up.
The Skywalker lineage, outside of Leia, doesn't have a great tract record. Anakin - tempted by the dark side due to his want to save Padme and thus turned to the dark side before having his redemption moment and fulfilling the prophecy. People sensed great fear, anger and darkness in Anakin leading up to his turn - perhaps killing him ahead of time may have theoretically helped save the Jedi order to some extent (Sidous would have succeeded either way IMO but we don't know for sure).
Ben Solo / Skywalker, turns to dark side and kills many of the other students and eventually kills own father but seems to continue to have major conflict. The details on the events leading up to his turning are somewhat murkey are not 100% sure why.
I forget some of the details of them discussing the Luke / Ben scene when Ben turns, but are we saying that if Luke sensed darkness, saw similar visions of his loved ones dying at the hands of Ben or felt that that would happen (again hard to remember but i feel like something to that effect was said). Is it so hard to believe Luke may, in a moment of weakness been tempted by the dark side to give him his greatest wish to protect his loved ones? When that is how his father turned, both started training at an old age, Yoda said similar things about Luke when he was on Dagobah in Empire talking to Obi Wan ghost about whether or not he would train him.
If i'm wrong about the discussions about how / why Luke did what he did please forgive me.
This post was edited on 12/22/17 at 11:00 am
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Posted on 12/22/17 at 12:08 pm to theunknownknight
quote:Well, when you put it like that, it's all logical and depressing.
Luke is the HOPE of the SW universe. He hoped in his father even after he wiped out the entire Jedi order and killed BILLIONS of innocent people. Luke stood in the darkness, faced the darkness and was the only one to see light.
Ben and Yoda failed. They saw Luke as the hope and gave up on Vader while Luke saw his Dad as the real hope against ALL odds, even the words and feelings of his mentors.
That’s what made Luke so special. He was better than Kenobi, better than Yoda. He was so full of hope he found it where no one else could see it against all odds and logic.
In VADER.
And we expect this guy to consider for even a second to murder his own blood, a kid who had done NOTHING wrong, in his SLEEP because Luke sensed “possible darkness”?
And then to run and hide, cut himself off from the force after this failure. The same guy who once had the balls walked right into the emperor’s throne after getting his arse handed to him by Vader in cloud city?
We expect him to FaceTime the final battle when, in every other battle he’s ever been in, he demanded to be on the front lines?
For years we’ve been raised on a guy who never gave up on himself, on his father, on Kenobi, on Yoda, on Han, on Leia - who never backed down from a fight...only to see him commit suicide alone.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 12:12 pm to blueboy
When did the Falcon leave the jedi island? Was it before or after force ghost yoda came and talked to Luke?
Posted on 12/22/17 at 1:55 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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(1) As the other poster said, we haven't confirmed who did leave the map behind. I am not sure who or if that will be answered but it is an interesting possibility which could play a role in the third film.
The reason why the only obvious answer is Luke is because of R2D2. In ANH, R2D2 is tasked with delivering the death star plans (notice the recurring theme) and will only deliver it to Ole Ben. R2D2 demonstrates loyalty throughout the film's to only a very select few main characters.
The only person we know of that would have had both access to R2D2 and Luke's location is Luke himself.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 2:01 pm to McChowder
Has it ever happened that a sequel was stricken from cannon and another sequel was made to take its place?
Posted on 12/22/17 at 2:20 pm to Azranod
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George Lucas has said since day 1 that Star Wars is the story of the Skywalker family.
No, he said the OT and PT were about anakin skywalker.
Obviously from the rest of your post, you’re still upset they threw away the EU
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The point that Mark Hamill was making about that not being the same character, that Luke Skywalker would never have contemplated, much less tried to kill his nephew in his sleep, if you don't agree with him, then you need to
And again, here’s another person upset because luke’s Story didn’t turn out how he wanted it to.
There’s this whole theme of this movie of failure and learning from it. Luke is human. He can make mistakes. Even for a moment. Just because he turned away from the dark side once doesn’t mean he will never be tempted again. He made up for his fall by saving what’s left of the resistance.
This post was edited on 12/22/17 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 12/22/17 at 2:53 pm to Josh Fenderman
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No, he said the OT and PT were about anakin skywalker.
No, George Lucas has said since day 1 that Star Wars is the story of the Skywalker family.
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Obviously from the rest of your post, you’re still upset they threw away the EU
Obviously you can't read well, because you missed this:
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but when they announced The Force Awakens, I agreed to give it a shot. Man, to tell you the truth, I loved it.
This post was edited on 12/22/17 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 12/22/17 at 2:57 pm to Josh Fenderman
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The point that Mark Hamill was making about that not being the same character, that Luke Skywalker would never have contemplated, much less tried to kill his nephew in his sleep, if you don't agree with him, then you need to
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And again, here’s another person upset because Luke’s story didn’t turn out how he wanted it to.
There’s this whole theme of this movie of failure and learning from it. Luke is human. He can make mistakes. Even for a moment. Just because he turned away from the dark side once doesn’t mean he will never be tempted again. He made up for his fall by saving what’s left of the resistance.
I see that you don't understand the difference in a thought that crosses a person's mind, and contemplation.
Or maybe personally you don't have the capability. I guess every time you see an attractive woman you pull your junk out, huh?
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