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re: Mark Hamill: I think of Luke as a different character in TLJ, he's not my Luke Skywalker
Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:48 am to CarRamrod
Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:48 am to CarRamrod
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He has enough power to tell the studio to change the script if he didnt approve from the beginning.
Um no he does not.
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Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:49 am to Duzz
Luuke, Jorus C Baoth has the real Luke locked up.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:49 am to Mystery
quote:No kidding. This is Disney.
no he does not.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:52 am to Bench McElroy
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Rian needed me to be a certain way to make the ending effective
Piss poor writing technique when your not not building YOUR OWN world and characters (aka Tolkien, Lucas)
So Rian pictured this “cute” ending and screwed the characters, lore, and world rules to get there.
As far as “talent”, that’s high school level shite.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:53 am to Bonkers119
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To be honest, I think most of us were surprised that we even got to see Hamil, Ford, and Fisher in this set of Trilogy. Now after two movies we actually got decent screentime from all three of them. They have served their purpose in the movies so far, now it’s time to finish Rey and Kylos story in episode 9. If Luke was still a focal point in 9 it would have taken away from their story.
Overall, I agree and the Rey / Kylo interaction is the most compelling i've seen out of the star wars franchise in a long time.
Was Luke what I was expecting - certainly not. But i got past that pretty quickly and enjoyed his story-line within TLJ. Its not what I would have done probably but I don't have some vitriolic hate and I some of the things I thought about I found interesting.
So, essentially everyone expected Rey to get trained by Luke similar to how Luke goes to Yoda, but Luke isn't down as he thinks the Jedi should die off hence his reason for being in exile (although he does provide her with some insight and training - we also discover she has a ton of raw power. I think he said something along the lines of she was as powerful or more powerful than Ben but I could be mis-remembering).
But Rey is different and I think the cave scene gives insight to this, She’s looking for answers in her past, looking for her parents, but what she needs she’ll only find in herself. As Kylo said to her, she needs to let go of the past, she had been searching for her parents and looking for them in Han and now Luke but her destiny lies along her own path (cave scene). I'd like to go see it again so i can pay more attention to all of that stuff on the island and her scenes with Kylo.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:56 am to Bonkers119
quote:That's a big problem chief. There is no story. Remember? Rey is a nobody who comes from nobody. And Snoke is dead. So what kind of bullshite can they conjure up for 2.5 hours for Episode 9?
now it’s time to finish Rey and Kylos story
Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:59 am to LuckyTiger
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“I sense much fear in you. Murder you in your sleep, I must.”
Posted on 12/21/17 at 9:02 am to RealityTiger
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So what kind of bull shite can they conjure up for 2.5 hours for Episode
Most likely the rags of the resistance finding support from somewhere and fighting the remains of First Order and the final Rey vs. Kylo showdown.
However, it seems that they may be setting it up for a different greater enemy and this movie is about the redemption of Kylo, Rey helps turn him back to the light and then he helps the resistance fight this new enemy (not sure if they could get the first order war machine on their side too). Also the metaphorical passing of the "Skywalker Lineage" to Rey who is the new Anakin in that metaphor.
^ that is just some random ideas but it seems to be the direction they implied.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 9:03 am to RealityTiger
I honestly don't think Rey is a nobody, and we'll find out more in Episode 9. Kylo is now Supreme leader of the First Order, and he want's to finish off the Resistance and Rey. The Resistance may have lost a lot of people in TLJ, but they are still gonna fight. I'm sure people from across the galaxy will eventually join the cause, and we'll see an epic battle to conclude the trilogy. Abrahams is a great director and story teller, I have faith in him to close it out strong.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 9:03 am to Sneaky__Sally
I think they were saving Leia for the ultimate "come to mama, that's a good boy, everything is going to be all right" scene where Kylo is finally brought back to the light.
This post was edited on 12/21/17 at 9:04 am
Posted on 12/21/17 at 9:05 am to theunknownknight
Inception was one of the best movies I've seen in a long time. Fresh plot, fresh idea, sci fi that made enough sense to engage the audience. Character build up and story to go with it. I think most would agree with that.
Christopher Nolan said in an interview that he had been working on that story over almost a decade. He had been writing it, adding to it, taking away. He even had notes written on a board to engineer the story. There was a lot of leg work thrown in on it. So, there's no surprise why it was so great.
With something as big as Star Wars, how the frick wasn't this done with that story? From George Lucas in the prequels to the final 3 episodes. They had whatever resources they needed at their disposal, and (at the time) 15 years to write it. And then the same for Episodes 7-9.
It reminds me of when I had to write a term paper in school. Would hurry up at the last minute and throw together a bunch of shite and cite some sources to give me a good enough grade to pass, but that's about it. That's how Star Wars has been handled by supposed professionals.
Christopher Nolan said in an interview that he had been working on that story over almost a decade. He had been writing it, adding to it, taking away. He even had notes written on a board to engineer the story. There was a lot of leg work thrown in on it. So, there's no surprise why it was so great.
With something as big as Star Wars, how the frick wasn't this done with that story? From George Lucas in the prequels to the final 3 episodes. They had whatever resources they needed at their disposal, and (at the time) 15 years to write it. And then the same for Episodes 7-9.
It reminds me of when I had to write a term paper in school. Would hurry up at the last minute and throw together a bunch of shite and cite some sources to give me a good enough grade to pass, but that's about it. That's how Star Wars has been handled by supposed professionals.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 9:06 am to StrongBackWeakMind
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I think they were saving Leia for the ultimate "come to mama, that's a good boy, everything is going to be all right" scene where Kylo is finally brought back to the light.
I could also see Kylo making the sacrifice play to save rey / the rebellion and defeat whoever the enemy is - similar to Anakin - and effectively ending the skywalker lineage. That is sort of what i meant by the metaphorical passing of the torch to Rey
Posted on 12/21/17 at 9:06 am to Sneaky__Sally
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She’s looking for answers in her past, looking for her parents, but what she needs she’ll only find in herself. As Kylo said to her, she needs to let go of the past, she had been searching for her parents and looking for them in Han and now Luke but her destiny lies along her own path (cave scene).
She's a strong millenial woman.
She doesn't need training or men or practice or skills or dedication or sacrifice. She is just give everything she needs without question and we should accept that and be happy for her and praise her as strong and brave despite the fact that she's never earned a thing she's been given.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 9:08 am to Sneaky__Sally
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could also see Kylo making the sacrifice play to save rey
Who in the frick is he going to save Rey from?
They're going to introduce some super powered badass we've never seen before with no backstory who tries to kill her just so Kylo can kill him?
Posted on 12/21/17 at 9:08 am to Breesus
All women out there need to dye their hair purple and talk down to men today, in tribute.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 9:08 am to Breesus
Luke is the HOPE of the SW universe. He hoped in his father even after he wiped out the entire Jedi order and killed BILLIONS of innocent people. Luke stood in the darkness, faced the darkness and was the only one to see light.
Ben and Yoda failed. They saw Luke as the hope and gave up on Vader while Luke saw his Dad as the real hope against ALL odds, even the words and feelings of his mentors.
That’s what made Luke so special. He was better than Kenobi, better than Yoda. He was so full of hope he found it where no one else could see it against all odds and logic.
In VADER.
And we expect this guy to consider for even a second to murder his own blood, a kid who had done NOTHING wrong, in his SLEEP because Luke sensed “possible darkness”?
And then to run and hide, cut himself off from the force after this failure. The same guy who once had the balls walked right into the emperor’s throne after getting his arse handed to him by Vader in cloud city?
We expect him to FaceTime the final battle when, in every other battle he’s ever been in, he demanded to be on the front lines?
For years we’ve been raised on a guy who never gave up on himself, on his father, on Kenobi, on Yoda, on Han, on Leia - who never backed down from a fight...only to see him commit suicide alone.
Ben and Yoda failed. They saw Luke as the hope and gave up on Vader while Luke saw his Dad as the real hope against ALL odds, even the words and feelings of his mentors.
That’s what made Luke so special. He was better than Kenobi, better than Yoda. He was so full of hope he found it where no one else could see it against all odds and logic.
In VADER.
And we expect this guy to consider for even a second to murder his own blood, a kid who had done NOTHING wrong, in his SLEEP because Luke sensed “possible darkness”?
And then to run and hide, cut himself off from the force after this failure. The same guy who once had the balls walked right into the emperor’s throne after getting his arse handed to him by Vader in cloud city?
We expect him to FaceTime the final battle when, in every other battle he’s ever been in, he demanded to be on the front lines?
For years we’ve been raised on a guy who never gave up on himself, on his father, on Kenobi, on Yoda, on Han, on Leia - who never backed down from a fight...only to see him commit suicide alone.
This post was edited on 12/21/17 at 9:14 am
Posted on 12/21/17 at 9:10 am to theunknownknight
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theunknownknight
Congrats for making me sad today.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 9:10 am to Bonkers119
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limited. He created this whole galaxy that is focused on one family lineage. Rian is simply moving the story forward and showing that anyone is capable of greatness
bullshite.
There are a million stories to be told in this universe. But the saga is the story of the Skywalkers.
The EU already provided the template that you can have unique stories set in the universe and develop characters that can then make appearances in the Saga driven stories. Disney is already doing that with the one off stories like Rogue One. Hell, I played the XWing games as a kid and desperately want to see a Rogue Squadron movie like “Top Gun in the Star Wars universe.” Star Wars Rebels has very little ties to the Saga cast and is a ton of fun.
So don’t give me that crap about the only way to move the story forward is to split ties with the foundation the story was built on.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 9:11 am to Bonkers119
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Abrahams is a great director and story teller, I have faith in him to close it out strong.
James Beard is a great chef but if I gave him a spice rack and a dog turd he might be able to polish and season that turd but at the end of the day he can only elevate the ingredients he's given. Which was shite. He still has to serve you a plate of shite. No matter what he does to it, at its core, it's shite.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 9:11 am to Breesus
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They're going to introduce some super powered badass we've never seen before with no backstory who tries to kill her just so Kylo can kill him?
Not sure, but i'll wait to see how it actually plays out before getting upset about it.
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