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re: Lone Survior was a good movie but ending is total BS (spoilers)
Posted on 1/14/14 at 9:20 am to The Sad Banana
Posted on 1/14/14 at 9:20 am to The Sad Banana
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Restrepo.
Hella good.
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Posted on 1/14/14 at 9:37 am to DeltaDoc
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(1) What happened, especially relative to Murphy, was truly heroic;
You should check out Murph: The Protector (book and movie)
Posted on 1/14/14 at 9:44 am to GrammarKnotsi
I thought trolling on happened in Game of Thrones threads on this board.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 9:52 am to DeltaDoc
Interesting points...
I'd like to know how much of Lone Survivor Luttrell actually wrote and if he proofread Robinson's (his co-author) final draft. For a Navy SEAL who fears nothing and nobody, he spends a lot of time whining about the "US liberal media", yet now uses them to promote his books and movie. In general, and especially early in the wars, I thought the US media projected a favorable portrayal of the military. If the media published unflattering reports about reservists pulling frat house stunts at Abu Graib, that's the fault of the dimwits who spent their evenings hazing prisoners to pass the time, not the media.
I've read a few books about US military operations in Afghanistan. My overall view is that in the Special Operations community, the SEALs seem to plan less and put theirselves into situations that have the potential to quickly go bad. It also seems to me that Delta and Green Berets view SEALs as cowboys. I'm sure there is some interservice rivalry involved, but when you hear about these disasters, there are often SEALs involved. I'm not questioning their bravery or dedication, but their judgement seems to be lacking on ocassion.
I'd like to know how much of Lone Survivor Luttrell actually wrote and if he proofread Robinson's (his co-author) final draft. For a Navy SEAL who fears nothing and nobody, he spends a lot of time whining about the "US liberal media", yet now uses them to promote his books and movie. In general, and especially early in the wars, I thought the US media projected a favorable portrayal of the military. If the media published unflattering reports about reservists pulling frat house stunts at Abu Graib, that's the fault of the dimwits who spent their evenings hazing prisoners to pass the time, not the media.
I've read a few books about US military operations in Afghanistan. My overall view is that in the Special Operations community, the SEALs seem to plan less and put theirselves into situations that have the potential to quickly go bad. It also seems to me that Delta and Green Berets view SEALs as cowboys. I'm sure there is some interservice rivalry involved, but when you hear about these disasters, there are often SEALs involved. I'm not questioning their bravery or dedication, but their judgement seems to be lacking on ocassion.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 9:59 am to rebeloke
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rebeloke
This is a quote of an email a buddy sent me about an advance screening he saw at the Naval Post-Graduate school in Monterrey Cali. Apparently the SF he saw it with liked it, but also had issues with certain parts (not nearly as bad as your reaction, though).
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Hey, Lone Survivor was excellent. Disclaimer, not trying to brag, just stating facts. The director came up to Monterey and did a showing for the special forces officers at NPS. So I went to see it with some Navy SEALS, who were currently my students. One of them said he felt like throwing up twice seeing his fellow sailors go through that. Another one served with the lone survivor, Marcus Luttrell, and there was a different take on their discussion of how to deal with the Afghans they captured. They also discussed the procedures that were not followed that day which would have saved their lives.
Very interesting stuff.
This post was edited on 1/14/14 at 10:06 am
Posted on 1/14/14 at 10:03 am to White Roach
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Delta and Green Berets
There are exceptions, of course, but if they're not in uniform, you wouldn't pick up on most of these guys' background without probing.
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SEALs
Will tell you they are a SEAL in their first conversation - perhaps in the first 2 to 3 sentences. I love those guys, but there is a different mindset.
Delta has a joke where they tell people they rescue they're Navy SEALs.
This post was edited on 1/14/14 at 10:04 am
Posted on 1/14/14 at 10:10 am to Dizz
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I thought trolling on happened in Game of Thrones threads on this board.
Is that in reference to my posts ?
Posted on 1/14/14 at 10:27 am to rebeloke
You need to rethink the title of this thread a-hole. It wasnt total B.S. Some references were slightly exaggerated but that doesnt change the fact that it was a 4 man SEAL team on a mission gone wrong, in which three of them died. Did you think it was going to be 100% accurate to every minute detail? Did you want a fricking 6 hr film? They were all shot multiple times except for Lutrell, and they all continued to fight until the death. The movie showed that and showed in fairly accurate detail how a SEAL team acts as a single fighting unit. The point of the movie was to show how the 4 men died, and here you are splitting hairs critiquing the ending of a film because it wasnt totally accurate. Yes, there never was a battle in the village. Yes, he was never abducted by the Taliban and almost beheaded. So fricking what? Does it make the story of what actually happened to those men any less real? This is an opinion board, but some of you sure take that a run with it showing no respect for the real world. What a fricking dick you are. Im sure Peter Berg and Lutrell are very dissapointed that your movie-going experience wasnt completely fulfilled.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 10:32 am to dnm3305
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What a fricking dick you are. Im sure Peter Berg and Lutrell are very dissapointed that your movie-going experience wasnt completely fulfilled.
I'm sure Peter Berg and Lutrell could give two fricks as long as the movie makes money. Let's be real this isn't about showing what actually went down. It is about making a money, so they fudged the story.
50 to 200 Taliban
Posted on 1/14/14 at 10:40 am to GrammarKnotsi
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Is that in reference to my posts ?
No I just got lazy and didn't go back to the OP
The OP is obviously trolling, don't feed him.
This post was edited on 1/14/14 at 10:42 am
Posted on 1/14/14 at 11:05 am to Mystery
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50 to 200 Taliban
in no way did the movie present the scenario of 50 to 200 fighters engaging the SEALs
frankly with the HAJIs holding the high ground and shooting down on them with AK-47s and RPGs it wouldn't take a large group to neutralize the SEALs
Posted on 1/14/14 at 11:10 am to supatigah
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in no way did the movie present the scenario of 50 to 200 fighters engaging the SEALs
Didn't the movie say at least 50?
But my comment wasn't just about the movie but Luttrell stroking his ego by saying 200
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Increasing the size of the enemy that day makes for a much better story. As the story told in Lone Survivor became more popular, the size of the enemy force that day seems to have increased with each telling. Here are the various descriptions of the number of enemy fighters that attacked:
Ed Darack’s Victory Point: 8-10 fighters with a machine gun.
Luttrell’s after-action report: 20-30 fighters.
Lt. Murphy’s Medal of Honor citation: 30-40 fighters.
Lt. Murphy’s Medal of Honor Summary of Action: over 50 fighters.
Marcus Luttrell on the Today Show: 80-100 members of the Taliban.
Lone Survivor (memoir): 140-200 fighters.
Marcus Luttrell speeches after Lone Survivor: 200 fighters.
Lone Survivor (screenplay): At least 50 fighters. (“A solid line of at least fifty Taliban in firing positions on top of the hill above them.”)
Posted on 1/14/14 at 11:12 am to dnm3305
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doesnt change the fact that it was a 4 man SEAL team on a mission gone wrong
A link in this thread showed the original team being 6 members. Posted on 1/14/14 at 11:35 am to LSUdm21
Six SEALs from SDVT-1 flew from Bahrain to Bagram together. They were attached to SEAL Team 10, already in theatre. Four were sent out on the initial Red Wings observation mission that is the subject of the book and movie.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 11:47 am to Ace Midnight
Act of valor captures the warrior ethos as good as any war movie I have seen. SOF is all about the warrior ethos. So when a movie gets it that makes it more credible. To Lone Survivors credit they do a good job to building the characters like Act of Valor did. SEALs like all SOF are family guys and the SEALs are team guys. When Ben Foster as SO2 Matthew "Axe" Axelson talks about his love for the family and team it got me. The way he talked about his love for his wife before he died, got me. They did so many things right to go and screw the story up.
Saving Private Ryan while fiction was realistic to period. It is one of the most realistic war movies ever made because it captures the moment of the battles in a way that is real, not because the story is true. Same for We Were Soldiers. Mel Gibson is dead on in his interpretation of Col Moore. That movie also builds characters before they die in battle.
All these movies do one thing: they show you that America is special. Our soldiers are the best and our elites forces are amazing when facing overwhelming odds.
Saving Private Ryan while fiction was realistic to period. It is one of the most realistic war movies ever made because it captures the moment of the battles in a way that is real, not because the story is true. Same for We Were Soldiers. Mel Gibson is dead on in his interpretation of Col Moore. That movie also builds characters before they die in battle.
All these movies do one thing: they show you that America is special. Our soldiers are the best and our elites forces are amazing when facing overwhelming odds.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 11:59 am to rebeloke
You should arrange a meeting with Marcus and tell him the movie is BS and you are tired of his lies to stroke his ego.
Also, let me know when it is so I can watch him stomp your bitch arse.
I'm sure during all the bullets flying and RPGs being launched at him that he didn't have time to stop and get a head count on how many were attacking. I don't care if it was 5 to 1 or 35 to 1.........fact is that they were outnumbered and could not win the firefight in that terrain.
The guys were out there fighting to defend your freedom you simple frick. And I would bet they could give a flying frick about what you think of the movie or their story.
Also, let me know when it is so I can watch him stomp your bitch arse.
I'm sure during all the bullets flying and RPGs being launched at him that he didn't have time to stop and get a head count on how many were attacking. I don't care if it was 5 to 1 or 35 to 1.........fact is that they were outnumbered and could not win the firefight in that terrain.
The guys were out there fighting to defend your freedom you simple frick. And I would bet they could give a flying frick about what you think of the movie or their story.
This post was edited on 1/14/14 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 1/14/14 at 12:26 pm to rebeloke
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All these movies do one thing: they show you that America is special. Our soldiers are the best and our elites forces are amazing when facing overwhelming odds.
Well - I believe we've found a point of agreement - if you moderated the language in the title, and perhaps the OP, you might get a lot less disagreement from the board.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 12:30 pm to Ace Midnight
wait, maybe this is a comedic stereotype, but aren't Israel's (or someone's) regular soldiers like our special forces?
Posted on 1/14/14 at 12:35 pm to Carson123987
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but aren't Israel's (or someone's) regular soldiers like our special forces?
No
Posted on 1/14/14 at 12:38 pm to rebeloke
give you credit for trolling this long
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